UTG = Villain = 28/5 over 50 hands.

BB is a bit of a fish too. seems a bit more active/agro than most others.



[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12882192

SB: $7.88 (197 bb)
BB: $4.59 (114.8 bb)
UTG: $1.47 (36.8 bb)
MP: $5 (125 bb)
Hero (CO): $4.80 (120 bb)
BTN: $1.05 (26.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
UTG calls $0.04, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50) K 5 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.04

this=check, so raise as you would cbet.

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12882212

SB: $7.88 (197 bb)
BB: $4.59 (114.8 bb)
UTG: $1.47 (36.8 bb)
MP: $5 (125 bb)
Hero (CO): $4.80 (120 bb)
BTN: $1.05 (26.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J J
UTG calls $0.04, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.50) K 5 5 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.52, BB folds, UTG calls $0.48

Turn: ($1.54) T (2 players)
UTG checks

hpsb left

Do you cbet boards like this potsize? if you do, its a leak. Raise to half pot or so. As played raising this big makes his continue range stronger. As played you need to shove turn, because he is probably a donk and all the draws are calling + we can't fold the river if we valueraised the flop.

so you think that raising smaller is better otf?

if he is a bad player and min bets, you really think like 20c will change his range so much?

First of all, what are we giving him when he donks?

imo its like a pp or fd or Kx sometimes. maybe ace hi or some completely random ****

When I raise flop, you think he calls 22-TT for 20c less and folds if i make it 52c?

and ace hi? calling 30c but not 52c?

or fd?

I think if the we should be value raising, we need to make it bigger because he has jack all money and wont like want to fold any piece too often.

also by making it bigger otf when he can decide to just call with w/e the fk, we have hpsb ott so he gets good odds and is never folding anything that called flop, after we value raised.

I mean its 5x/Kx/QQ-AA, all fd's,pp's ace highs, some small % of random air, is it not?

what do you do ott after making it what size?

thanks

just said before that his play on the flop=check and your raise is therefore a standard cont bet. Cont betting potsize is not good on this board, because alot of floats/and x hands will fold. no reason to put him on any range there, just make a cbet size raise and continue from there. as you have raised this flop to this size, your only option is to shove the turn anyway making all other "would" arguments pointless.

Actually I have never played under NL10, so the games might be fishier than I think and you can be right.

well if we raise smaller we are getting in ott anyway given his flop continuing range?

yes

pointless then imo lol

From my experience minbets from fish can mean anything. It's impossible to put him on a hand OTF because he could have Kx, 5x, mid PP, A high, complete air, a FD, etc.

As stated earlier, I would bet (raise) to 1/2 - 3/4 pot OTF, then see what he does on the turn. On the Th turn, I wouldn't mind getting it in, since he can easily have 77, 88, or Tx that he might stack off with. Since you're in position though, you can easily re-eval on the turn if a "scare" card comes and/or if he makes a strong bet.

The reason for betting smaller on the flop, as cilderr said, is it keeps all his floats in and encourages him to make more mistakes, whereas betting full pot (probably) makes him fold most of those hands.

As played, shove turn and hope he has 77-99 or Tx.

ok

also another reason i didnt want to bet hpsb was the other fishy guy in the hand. I didnt want him calling or getting tricky.

Is that a bad reason to stick with slightly larger sizing or are you fine making hpsb and then getting called in 2 spots?

for me turn is harder to play that way.