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4nl AQs Facing Turn Shove 4nl AQs Facing Turn Shove

08-14-2014 , 05:01 AM
I'm getting 2:1 on this call and I have, I believe, roughly 15 outs. Is this a +EV call here facing a short stack?

Revolution Gaming Network - $0.04 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $4.02 (VPIP: 32.66, PFR: 26.13, 3Bet Preflop: 11.29, Hands: 204)
BB: $2.42 (VPIP: 44.23, PFR: 8.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 108)
UTG: $1.52 (VPIP: 11.56, PFR: 4.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 149)
Hero (MP): $10.30
CO: $4.78 (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 7.84, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 212)
BTN: $1.61 (VPIP: 51.22, PFR: 12.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, BTN calls $0.12, SB calls $0.10, fold

Flop: ($0.40, 3 players) Q A K
SB checks, Hero bets $0.27, BTN calls $0.27, SB calls $0.27

Turn: ($1.21, 3 players) 8
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.22 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $1.22

River: ($3.65, 2 players) 6

Spoiler:
Hero shows A Q (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (Pre 65%, Flop 22%, Turn 30%)
BTN shows J T (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 35%, Flop 78%, Turn 70%)
BTN wins $3.41
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08-14-2014 , 05:24 AM
Obv never folding vs this guy

I'd bet flop slightly bigger and jam turn myself
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08-14-2014 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
Obv never folding vs this guy

I'd bet flop slightly bigger and jam turn myself
+1
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08-14-2014 , 08:39 AM
never check the turn, just bet bet bet, thats a simple hand to play.

Bet bigger on the flop, they re never folding draws, midle pairs plus draws and top pairs dont mather what size you make, so value bet.
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08-14-2014 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluffsinho
never check the turn, just bet bet bet, thats a simple hand to play.

Bet bigger on the flop, they re never folding draws, midle pairs plus draws and top pairs dont mather what size you make, so value bet.
How big on the flop? Overbet it at times?
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08-14-2014 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
Obv never folding vs this guy

I'd bet flop slightly bigger and jam turn myself
Good to know. Thanks.
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08-14-2014 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapala88
How big on the flop? Overbet it at times?
I would bet 35c.
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08-14-2014 , 09:14 AM
beting bigger on the flop is pretty bad lol
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08-14-2014 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluffsinho
I would bet 35c.
Why? What difference would that have made here?
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08-14-2014 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Rapala88
Why? What difference would that have made here?
1,5BB
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08-14-2014 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
beting bigger on the flop is pretty bad lol
I dont see your point, why its bad to value bet ~90% pot on a very wet board agaist 2 opponents with 2pair playing NL4?
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08-14-2014 , 02:24 PM
It's not. .33-.36 is perfect in this situation.
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08-14-2014 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by EC2200
It's not. .33-.36 is perfect in this situation.
As a means of blocking his draws? I've bet other pots in this same situation just like that on the flop a few times recently.
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08-14-2014 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluffsinho
I dont see your point, why its bad to value bet ~90% pot on a very wet board agaist 2 opponents with 2pair playing NL4?
the problem is that this ins't a very wet board
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08-14-2014 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MartimC
the problem is that this ins't a very wet board
It's definitely not sopping wet or anything but it's also not dry. Three to a high straight sitting right there on the flop. Would this still not qualify as "wet"?
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08-15-2014 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by neok
Obv never folding vs this guy

I'd bet flop slightly bigger and jam turn myself

Perfect example of why I rarely use these forums.

He never 3 bets, doesn't raise enough pre. Obviously looking and hoping for the nuts. All this fish sees is his cards. He has just made a monster (prob set of 8s) and adreneline shoves it all in thinking that is the best (only) way to proceed.

Calling these guys costs me nothing but money... but yeah being the donk I am, I would call too and ship it.
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08-15-2014 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GrandpaKim
Perfect example of why I rarely use these forums.

He never 3 bets, doesn't raise enough pre. Obviously looking and hoping for the nuts. All this fish sees is his cards. He has just made a monster (prob set of 8s) and adreneline shoves it all in thinking that is the best (only) way to proceed.

Calling these guys costs me nothing but money... but yeah being the donk I am, I would call too and ship it.
I'm not sure wtf you are getting at.

He's only looking for the nuts, but you think he calls 88 multiway on this board?

You have 2p with the NFD vs a drooler, whats left to say?
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