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07-22-2009 , 07:59 PM

Rodolphe

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Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB) Replayer
($250)
Hero ($400)

Dealt to Hero 5

Hero raises to $12, calls $8

FLOP ($24) T

checks, Hero bets $16, calls $16

TURN ($56) T

checks, Hero ?

Villain seems to be a passive fish but only 12 hands played.

What's your plan there ? Are we bet/folding, bet/calling, checking, ... ?
How would you react to a check/minraise ?

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07-22-2009 , 08:39 PM

glpmurray

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dont mind a pot control line on the turn by checking and then betting river or checking and then calling bet on river. If you decide to build a pot I think bet on the turn and value bet small on the river as long as a scare card doesnt come. If he is a passive fish, therefore rarely bluffing, id just shut down if he shows any aggression.

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07-22-2009 , 09:02 PM

DoubleD

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Just bet, decide what to do if he c/minraises you if he actually does it. Do you realise how much value you are losing by checking against this villain?

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07-23-2009 , 12:08 AM

eX3cution

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Originally Posted by DoubleD

Just bet, decide what to do if he c/minraises you if he actually does it. Do you realise how much value you are losing by checking against this villain?

This.

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07-23-2009 , 01:14 AM

rbracco

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Checking this turn is pretty bad against described villain. So much value is to be had from any Q any K and any draws and your hand is right at the cutoff for him calling worse and raising better (although he prob flats a better T) so it is a pretty easy bet-fold, I like going 39-41.

If you want to pot control, do it on the river.

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07-23-2009 , 01:16 AM

rbracco

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If you want to pot control, do it on the river.

Wanted to elaborate on this a little more. His calling range that we are ahead of is way bigger on the turn than on the river because of draws so if you are going for 2 streets get it in now and check back river but bet turn/bet river is going to be the best line as long as river is blank.

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07-23-2009 , 06:05 AM

Centuari

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Originally Posted by DoubleD

Just bet, decide what to do if he c/minraises you if he actually does it. Do you realise how much value you are losing by checking against this villain?

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Originally Posted by eX3cution

This.

+1

Checking here feels really bad.

If you want more info on this (potentially pretty interesting) hand Rodolphe, you should probably post the next decision point.

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07-23-2009 , 08:19 AM

Rodolphe

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Well, I did bet and he minraised so I felt really stupid at that point not knowing what to do. I was think about posting this decision but I feared people flaming me for not checking or for betting not knowing what to do.

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07-23-2009 , 08:38 AM

Borry

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what about c/r flop? but flop raise is the first thing i thought

sorry for not discussing turn...

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07-23-2009 , 09:22 AM

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att

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Originally Posted by Borry

what about c/r flop? but flop raise is the first thing i thought

sorry for not discussing turn...

hero is IP.

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07-23-2009 , 06:49 PM

#11

Centuari

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Originally Posted by Rodolphe

Betting turn is for sure fine. I'm almost always calling a minraise there.

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07-23-2009 , 10:52 PM

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Barewire

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i'd always bet the turn, and calling a minraise seems standard given odds and the fact that it's really hard for him to have a FH or Qx/Kx we're kinda bluff catching and also drawing against a flush or straight. if he shoved or made a big raise folding is probably best.

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07-24-2009 , 07:50 AM

#13

Borry

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Originally Posted by att

hero is IP.

lol, misread OP his topic! Normally red = hero...

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07-24-2009 , 09:42 AM

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higher_energy

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Originally Posted by Barewire

agreed

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07-24-2009 , 10:44 AM

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urubu111

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Originally Posted by Barewire

this.

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07-24-2009 , 01:50 PM

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skeetm0n

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i like to bet 1/2 pot vs these types, it just makes calling the min raise that much easier, and they can never get themselves to make a bigger raise.

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07-24-2009 , 03:38 PM

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Barewire

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Originally Posted by skeetm0n

i like to bet 1/2 pot vs these types, it just makes calling the min raise that much easier, and they can never get themselves to make a bigger raise.

this is just superbly results biased and also bad

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07-24-2009 , 10:34 PM

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Kardnel

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Bet/fold like 50. This amount really discourages him making a move - think of how scary this looks to villain after that turn card comes off. This amount wil also gets a ton of value if he has something like QJ, KJ or KQ.

If he check min raised I'd probably just fold and assume that he has it. I don't think calling a CMR is good because you are only hoping to fill up and your fh outs aren't good a lot of the time. He will likely shove on any river and you'll be in a puke spot pretty much all the time. Remember that a CMR on the turn from a passive fish is almost always the nuts.

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