Utg was fairly loose, i had a good image and one ace so i thought "lets squeeze"


$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($430.00)
CO ($270.35)
BTN ($767.65)
SB ($489.70)
Hero ($394.90)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB A 6
UTG raises to $14, 1 fold, BTN calls $14, SB calls $12, Hero raises to $70, UTG calls $56, BTN calls $56, SB folds

Flop: A 8 T ($224, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $155, BTN folds, Hero folds

Final Pot: $379

UTG wins $376 ( won +$151 )
SB lost -$14.00
Hero lost -$70.00
BTN lost -$70.00

Here i checked for pot control

What do oyu think? Do you ever cb that board when cold called twice? Is A6 a hand you will squeez with?

I think its a fairly easy hand history, but i will appreciate any help, i feel i m lacking some understand with squeeze play and when to cb/When not to

Am I wrong to assume JJ-KK are checking behind the flop alot here?

The pre-flop raise with A6o looks a little bit adventurous to me, given that you are out of position and your hand isn't particularly strong. However, this partly depends on your read on the other players. You mention that the UTG was fairly loose, but had you seen any evidence of him being able to lay down a hand when raised?

Post flop, I think you need to make a C bet, and then shut down if you don't win the hand there and then (you have to ask yourself if you do meet resistance which hands you are beating). After you checked, the button was able to use position to take the pot down.

Re squeeze play generally: I think its better personally to try to squeeze in position, and also with cards which aren't easily dominated, e.g. suited connectors which may be disguised when they hit the flop.

Hope this helps

cheers


Iggy

Check then raise that type of bet all-in. I think your ahead a lot and villain is trying to get you off a hand like KK or QQ. Also if you show up as a loser, the advertising you get from making that play should payoff next time you squeeze with AA.

if you are going to fold tp after you squeeze with A6o then squeeze with 34s or J5s and fold A6o

id check for sure n then hope it checks down but if not checkshove. simply cos i dont like folding and i dont like bet/calling nor bet/folding. least let them bluff some $ before u stick it in. and no i wouldnt make that squeeze with that hand in the first place for this very reason

I dont hate your squeeze if your image and the situation is right. On the flop I like your check because you have relative position. You prolly wont get action by hands that you beat if you bet this flop. Once UTG bets and button folds I think you have to check shove this flop.
If you dont want to stick it in with a weak tp you should squeeze with hands that flop huge or nothing like suited connectors.

What exactly were you hoping to flop? Quads?

I think I'd generally prefer to just bet/call the flop since I expect big aces to 4-bet a good amount preflop rather than just calling your reraise, and because there are a lot of ugly turns for you if you pot control here. As played, I think whether turn is a fold or a CRAI is heavily dependent on your read of UTG, but I'd be more inclined to CRAI the better he is postflop, since he should recognize this as a good spot to be bluffing.

All of those saying squeezing with A6o is bad need to remember that A6s is a totally normal hand to squeeze with her also and we would be in the same situation.


3-way I would be nervous also.
Anyway, if we were HU on the flop with the pfr'er, I am kind of thinking that we should be thinking:
- that we are not folding ever with such a small stack-to-pot ratio
- betting won't get too much value, so check. Then call off our stack seems on a less drawy board, or c/shove seems good on this drawy one

Is that terrible?

Why is it totally normal to sqeeze w/A6s? I'd rather sqeeze w/J9s

So you dont squeeze with A6s because you want to call it instead? or becaue you could end up in this situation if an A drops?

If for the first, then how about K6s and hitting a K-high flop?

If you check the flop I think this is a really easy c/r all-in. Most of the time I'm going to bet around 50% of the pot planning on getting it in on the flop or the turn. Its a drawy board, not very many Ax are calling your squeeze (plus card removal) but villains can have some draws here that are betting this flop.

oh and squeezing here is fine with A6. Its rare that you are going to end up in dominated postflop spots since people tend to pretty much tend to 4-bet or fold most Ax hands in these spots. Plus the card removal makes it even less likely.

raising with a6o vs a loose player is terrible even A6s is bad oop

squeezing any weak ace is generally bad oop cos you are already credited with having AK half the time.

Flopping an Ace when you have XXs means you can CB and be credited with AK. When you have A6o and bet you get no value from the Ace because you'd bet it anyway and its dominated if he does have an Ace.

In this spot random loose player can easily call with AK/AQ/AJ/ATs but you have to c/r allin cos he could be betting anything and the pot is too big.

Exactly man. You set yourself up for too many gross spots when you have to play a huge pot OOP with A6o.

this is only true if OP intended that UTG was a loose calling station fish. That is he is going to open all better Ax and call most of them to a 3-bet pf. I didn't get that impression from the OP. I got more of the impression that this player opened loose enough that we could profitably squeeze him out of the pot (ie he is going to have plenty of hand that aren't calling our 3-bet) especially considering that we are using postional leveling here (ie we are squeezing an UTG open so we have to have it). Something like OP is like a 28/22 or something that folds a normal TAGish amount to 3bets.

If OP is so loose/stationy that we can't be profitably squeezing A6, then arguably we shouldn't be squeezing at all. If we don't have much fold equity there isn't much value to bloating the pot in a spot where we are likely to end up in a 3-way huge pot with the worse hand OOP.

so while I agree that it by certain definitions of loose for UTG we shouldn't be squeezing in this spot, that doesn't mean that the problem is that we have A6 it just means that it is a bad spot to be squeezing in general.

If the guy is decent enough to be able to fold i'd still rather squeeze better hands (suited stuff) because most times one of the callers is a donk who will call with AT+ cos he has pot odds.

My point is in this spot my squeezing trash range might be 8% and I can find better than A6o in that range.

why would anyone ever advocate c/shoving here?

c/c and open jamming good turns is certainly better if we want to go broke.

I dunno if we wanna go broke though, the texture is pretty bad.

Fold preflop. You have Ace Six Not Suited! Avoids entire thread!

I was waiting for someone to say that

And I don't mind squeezing A6o, unless utg is a station, as thepizzle said before. They most likely shove or fold tp ypur squeeze and the fact, that you have an ace in your hand makes it less likely for them to have a hand to shove with.

+a lot.

dude you squeezed with A6 and flopped an ace. unless your image is fairly loose he's not calling a 3 bet with any ace in his hand unless its AK and he just doesn't want to flip with an all in pre or something. you need to bet this flop, you can't get the A66 flop every time. Checking here is fine if you intend to check/shove the UTG loose player.

If I have nut low on the river and raise someone, am I hoping to get called by worse?

Both reasons actually. Look at how this played out, we have an A high flop and we end up in a very tough spot. IMO, when I sqeeze with marginal hands, I do it to take down the pot pf. When this happens it doesn't matter what my hand is. On the other hand, when we do see a flop, I'd much rather have 89s than Axs or Kxs b/c we get ourselves into much tougher situations with dominated hands.

Situation 1: You sqeeze Ax and the flop is Axx. If you lead your opponent plays perfectly against you folding to your lead w/non ace hands and shipping it in w/better aces. You lose your con bet and you lose a big part of the pot. If you decide to check, you still put yourself in a bad position b/c as we saw in this hand, he might bet and you have to fold. In this situation Axs is no different that 89s w/the exception of the card removal effects of you having an ace.

Situation 2: You squeeze get called and flop is all low cards. In this situation you can flop 2 pair, a strait, a flush, or a nice draw w/89s. You can extract value out of big pairs and you can bluff out AK, AQ type hands

The only situation where I see the advantage of sqeezing w/Axs and Kxs type hands are flush over flush situations which are exceedingly rare in HU and flopped 2 pair which you now dominate your oponent w/AK. Both these situations are exceedingly rare and I don't belive they outweigh the benefits of sqeezing with suited connectors.

Your only behind like 88 and AQ, what are you waiting for.

if you are squeezing other tag-ish regs running into dominated situations with Ax when squeezing is postflop is extremely rare. Almost all regs will be 4-betting AK and folding AJ or worse. AQ tends to go one way or another, but most people don't call squeezes with Ax. So when villains call your squeeze and you see an Axx domination really shouldn't be a concern. Your only concern there is how to extract maximum value given the fact that villain is unlikely to have a hand better than top pair. Frankly I think people worry about domination way too much, especially considering the aggro pf nature of today's games that removes AK and AQ from most peoples pf calling range.

In the case of the OP considering the drawy nature of the board I would just b and get it in, but if villains are prone to try to bluff these flops I might very well go for a CRAI. But domination really shouldn't be a huge concern.

There are merits to squeezing with 89s type hands as well, but there are also some negatives as you don't have the bonus of card removal, and rarely are you going to flop a strong made hand with 89s which make them much harder to play OOP.