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11-18-2012 , 05:49 PM
Hero (BTN): $936.13 (156 bb)
SB: $832 (138.7 bb)
BB: $595.34 (99.2 bb)
MP: $198.84 (33.1 bb)
CO: $843.84 (140.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $9, BB folds

Flop: ($30) J Q 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $50, Hero calls $32

Turn: ($130) A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $100, SB calls $100

River: ($330) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $165, SB raises to $670 and is all-in, Hero ???

Villain plays straightforward TAG 20/16, doesn't get out of line from what I've seen. Fold to flop cbet of 68, raise flop cbet 12, WWSF 42, and river afq 21. He does x/raise a lot of flops vs me, according to HM he has x/r my flop cbets 4/12 (probably because I fold to too many flop raises). Anyway OTT I figure he's giving up when he checks and I can rep KT, all sets, two pairs. OTR I am going for thin value and then this happens.

Generally against these types of opponents I just fold and don't think much about it. But I was going through my DB the other day and I found out that I bet/fold rivers a ridiculously high amount. Should I worry about being non-exploitable and call here, or should I give him credit for hitting a bd-fd and just keep folding in these situations?

Last edited by johnboy7541; 11-18-2012 at 05:50 PM. Reason: 600NL messed up title
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11-18-2012 , 08:33 PM
hello QJ
would definitely fold this against a nit and not worry too much about it
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11-19-2012 , 01:23 AM
ez standard fold
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11-19-2012 , 10:04 AM
20/16 with a 42 wwsf means he is pretty much fit or fold so I doubt he is x/r bluffing rivers.

Worry about good players exploiting you don't worry about the nits.
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11-19-2012 , 10:07 AM
In terms of being not being expoited etc, if you were only value betting a 10 then you'd have to fold sometimes I guess and you don't have a heart blocker.
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11-19-2012 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by johnboy7541
Anyway OTT I figure he's giving up when he checks and I can rep KT, all sets, two pairs.
If you believe that his check on the turn out of position is done with a plan, you don't need to bet >3/4 pot if you are only trying to get him to fold air/random pocket pairs.

When you think about it, betting 75-85 accomplishes the same thing as betting 100, and saves you about 350 bb/100.
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11-19-2012 , 02:17 PM
is there really any river value here in the first place
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11-19-2012 , 04:04 PM
Super sick to put villain on QhJh exactly and fold. I know that if I am villain I would c/shove river with AxTh and think about c/shoving with QJ one heart hands. For these reasons I couldn't fold.
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11-19-2012 , 05:51 PM
Also struggling to see how this is an easy fold putting him on 1 combo.
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11-21-2012 , 10:42 AM
You really should have one heart combo in your range other than 9Thh on the river and that's 89hh and even that's a stretch. I wouldn't really expect to be shown any sort of hand turned into bluff here i think you're chopping/losing to flush
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11-21-2012 , 03:27 PM
This is just a math problem I think. Pretty sure he isn't bluffing here, so your either splitting or losing to the flush from T9s KTs or QJs. You are probably splitting much more often considering these few combos. Problem is you could potentially have the flush here with any of those hands I mentioned. For this reason he might be apt just to call with a T making a fold the best option.
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11-21-2012 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by catch thirtythree
You really should have one heart combo in your range other than 9Thh on the river and that's 89hh and even that's a stretch. I wouldn't really expect to be shown any sort of hand turned into bluff here i think you're chopping/losing to flush
Wouldn't that be a reason to turn hands into bluffs when hero has 2 combos of flushes in his range?
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11-21-2012 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Candranos
This is just a math problem I think. Pretty sure he isn't bluffing here, so your either splitting or losing to the flush from T9s KTs or QJs. You are probably splitting much more often considering these few combos. Problem is you could potentially have the flush here with any of those hands I mentioned. For this reason he might be apt just to call with a T making a fold the best option.
KhTh not possible. Th9h can be heavily discounted because of turn c/call. QhJh is the only hand that makes sense.
I also don't like bet/deciding as a gameplan for this spot because seems very unlikely villain is calling with worse.
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11-24-2012 , 05:06 PM
cant fold it, just because not many flush are in villain's range.
But i wouldnt valuebet river i think. dont give him a set anyway.

How about jaming? he could not call any tx himself if we jam, but he doesnt really have many Tx in his range though. I think i jam anyway, just because he wont call with worse if we bet smallish and therefore just try to make his tx fold.
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