I hadn't seen this before, so honestly didn't know what his range could be. Do people with a stack this size just do this with AA, KK hoping to get a call or are they risking their stack just for the blinds?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $118.70
CO: $299.50
BTN: $499.70
Hero (SB): $402
BB: $383.10
UTG: $195.40
UTG+1: $108

MP posts $4
Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, MP raises to $118.70 and is All-In

Was the villain tilted before? I see he doesn't have much of a stack, did he just lose a big pot? Has he been getting bullied around?

Either way I'd call this with no reads unless he's exceptionally tight. Sure you can just fold and move on but this is a really strange move and I think his range is much more than AA/KK, seems stupid to make the move with those hands.

What is your problem here? Are you seriously considering to fold here or why did you post this hand? I think it is extremely standard for you to push all in here. No other options if your aim is to play good poker.

first day of teh online pokerz?

Are you kidding me?

LOL. He has AA here all the time.

[ ] fold
[x] double fist pump.

so ur in doubt if u wanna flatcall to try and rep JJ and get bb to push AQ or to Push and let BB think you got AK and let him call with JJ TT

I'd go for the push

I assume co and btn folded? In any event this is a snapler.

A couple things:

1. I've seen this plenty in tourneys, but I've only started playing cash games and logged about 4K hands (I have a job and family, so can't grind out 10k hands in a few days). That's why I hadn't seen it.
2. The guy had been quiet up until this point, no tilt. He started short stacked.

In amongst the cheap shots and real responses, I didn't see anyone answer what I really want to know: what have YOU seen people make this play with before. I want to be better prepared for it next time.

Thanks...

Seroiusly, this can be anything. Of course it's AK/JJ and stuff like that more often than 76s or something. But folding here is so bad that you might want to move down and start your cash career a few limits lower.

jase: post it in SSNL, in all seriousness, if you're that new to cash.

vs bad players (which most likely villain is) you will see AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ etc but also small pocket pairs Ax type hands and trash 'cause they saw it on tv'.

I often see Ax here and small PP's as these villains are scared to play them post flop.


As others have said, try 100nl for a bit. If u are unsure in spots like this, you will honestly get raped at 400nl.

All in

Edit: Go all in

Edit2: Put all your chips in the pot

25 bb let`s get it in
he has 88++ aq ak mayb even jts and it`s only 25bbs

did i mention it`s only 25 bbs push to isolate

please call/allin/minraise w/e it takes just dont fold

Ran a query on my DB for all open pushes of between 25 and 35 bb's with nobody else in the pot. There is a little bit of selection bias since it only shows shown down hands and when the open pusher has AA, KK or AK there are fewer combinations of calling hands. It is also player dependent but these numbers will probably make you call a little more :

(167 known hands)

AA - 2 - 1.2%
KK - 2 - 1.2%
QQ - 6 - 3.6%
JJ - 5 - 3.0%
TT - 9 - 5.4%
99 - 4 - 2.4%
88 - 5 - 3.0%
77 - 5 - 3.0%
66 - 3 - 1.8%
55 - 6 - 3.6%
44 - 1 - 0.6%
33 - 5 - 3.0%
22 - 5 - 3.0%
Aks - 9 - 5.4%
Aqs - 4 - 2.4%
Ajs - 6 - 3.6%
Ats - 1 - 0.6%
A9s - 3 - 1.8%
A7s - 1 - 0.6%
A6s - 2 - 1.2%
A5s - 1 - 0.6%
A4s - 2 - 1.2%
A2s - 1 - 0.6%
KQs - 1 - 0.6%
KJs - 1 - 0.6%
K9s - 2 - 1.2%
QJs - 1 - 0.6%
Q6s - 1 - 0.6%
Q2s - 1 - 0.6%
JTs - 1 - 0.6%
J8s - 1 - 0.6%
J7s - 1 - 0.6%
T5s - 1 - 0.6%
87s - 2 - 1.2%
76s - 1 - 0.6%
75s - 1 - 0.6%
43s - 1 - 0.6%
Ako - 15 - 9.0%
Aqo - 7 - 4.2%
Ajo - 5 - 3.0%
Ato - 5 - 3.0%
A9o - 3 - 1.8%
A8o - 1 - 0.6%
A7o - 4 - 2.4%
A6o - 1 - 0.6%
A5o - 1 - 0.6%
A2o - 1 - 0.6%
Kqo - 2 - 1.2%
Kjo - 1 - 0.6%
Kto - 1 - 0.6%
K9o - 1 - 0.6%
K5o - 1 - 0.6%
K3o - 1 - 0.6%
K2o - 1 - 0.6%
Qjo - 1 - 0.6%
Q9o - 2 - 1.2%
J8o - 1 - 0.6%
T9o - 2 - 1.2%
T7o - 1 - 0.6%
T5o - 1 - 0.6%
82o - 1 - 0.6%
76o - 1 - 0.6%
65o - 1 - 0.6%
64o - 1 - 0.6%


rvg

Snap Call

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Its a call in my eyes, If I was the villian and had either AA or KK, I would in NO WAY be betting over the pot like this pre-flop.

But not sure what I would put him on, theres only $6 in the pot and he bets 118.70 all in, ummmmm, either a crazy bluff just to win the 6 or AKsuited

Hes range could be anything, but I would doubt if has QQ beat, at best small pocket pair or AK

I would call, cross my fingers and chant

"no ace or king on flop"....."no ace or king on flop"

How come this thread has 19 responses excluding mine?

Do a little dance and call......

He posted $4, so I am guessing he just got to the table. I wouldn't put him on AA or KK or even AK here, he would try to hide these hands, maybe even check raise them. Most likely he is a maniac and I would get in in here with a smile.

Looks as if he is just trying to come in short and double up or bust out.