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04-23-2011 , 01:27 AM

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As1an1nvas1on

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Originally Posted by The Velour Fog

if you want to do this make sure villain knows that because as other have said this line aint getting no respect these days

i guess the 3bet pre, bet, c/r turn line is gonna be a value line everytime now

edit: against unknowns

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04-23-2011 , 04:36 AM

#27

DTD

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Originally Posted by lnternet

if he floats and bluffs often you want to check call not check raise

there are not too many spots where a xjam value range makes sense only in and on itself (meaning a xjam as a semi bluff is bad)

Yeah but the board becomes very drawy on the turn and there is only a half pot sized bet left. It's not like you ever know villian is floating, just that they are probably doing it a fair chunk of the time. If you don't want to fold then shoving the rest in with a value hand you check the turn with doesn't seem bad to me.

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04-23-2011 , 05:14 AM

#28

Darkfolder

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Play is fine.

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04-23-2011 , 06:32 PM

#29

The Velour Fog

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Originally Posted by As1an1nvas1on

i guess the 3bet pre, bet, c/r turn line is gonna be a value line everytime now

edit: against unknowns

thing is, based on villains stats (generalizing a bit here) and the board run out I dont see it as unlikely that villain could have hands that he wants to either pot control or take the free card with, which could be a disaster if we were somewhere around the top of our range. making barelling and setting up a river shove superior in any case.

so add in the stipulations that he must be an agressive floater and/or vb'ing very light when planning the stack-a-reg. in which case he wouldnt really be unknown so

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04-24-2011 , 03:01 AM

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As1an1nvas1on

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Originally Posted by The Velour Fog

thing is, based on villains stats (generalizing a bit here) and the board run out I dont see it as unlikely that villain could have hands that he wants to either pot control or take the free card with, which could be a disaster if we were somewhere around the top of our range. making barelling and setting up a river shove superior in any case.

so add in the stipulations that he must be an agressive floater and/or vb'ing very light when planning the stack-a-reg. in which case he wouldnt really be unknown so

how light is his vbet on the turn with jacks after i 3bet his UTG open, cbet, then check the turn? since i am unknown?

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04-24-2011 , 08:49 AM

#31

BackBlood

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Originally Posted by $upermad4it

c/r on the turn is a terrible idea. How much to bet on the turn is more of an interesting question, who likes a bet of 60-80 on the turn (shoving all rivers) instead of a normal bet and why.

This is what I do.

Better with your whole range. Villain can never have draws (given the positions), and you can, so if you had AA-QQ here its ok to bet this amount because he hasnt got a hand with implied odds with a set or KQ....
Also would be a mistake for him to raise shove turn, so yeah betting turn around 60 is good here.

On the flip side..
If we bet 80 here with a range that consist of {better hands/draws}, if you are villain would you ever think minraising turn vs the 80 to be good?

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