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400nl: Da big slick faces some heat from LAG on AJxhh. Hmm, whats my plan?

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08-04-2010 , 08:19 AM

BlackAMEX

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Villian is a 4-tabling LAG: playing 31/28 with 18% 3bet over 250 hands. Surprisingly he hasnt been overly spewy postflop. Havent played with him before today.

Hero has been active versus villian: mostly 3betting alot and then playing solid postflop.

Given read of villian, how are we playing this hand?

If we just call flop, what are we doing facing a bet on a:
- Heart turn?
- Tx turn?
- J turn?

Just be aware we are 150bb deep.

Full Tilt Poker $400.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $392.00
SB: $922.60
Hero (BB): $617.40
CO: $428.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with A

2 folds, SB raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, SB calls $28

Flop: ($80.00) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $56.00, SB raises to $144, Hero (???)

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08-04-2010 , 08:39 AM

$upermad4it

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call flop call any turn. Jx and Tx turns dont change anything

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08-04-2010 , 08:43 AM

RollinHand

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Board: Ah Jh 7d

Wins Ties Equity
28.67% 0.13% 28.80% ( AsKc )
71.07% 0.13% 71.20% ( 77,AJ,KhQh,8h7h,QhTh,8h9h,Qh9h,6h5h )

You can add 2% of equity for ever heart draw you add to his range.

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08-04-2010 , 08:59 AM

ValarMorghulis

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Originally Posted by $upermad4it

call flop call any turn. Jx and Tx turns dont change anything

yup. shove any turn if he checks. I'd treat my hand as the absolute nuts.

If we were 100bbs deep, I'd just shove flop. As is, maybe you can CiB if you think it'll induce.

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08-04-2010 , 09:28 AM

RollinHand

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So you guys obviously think we have way better equity then the stove shows.
How much does Hero's description of Villain play into your decision here?

Should I add AQ and QJ/KJ/KT to his cr range?

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08-04-2010 , 02:03 PM

ValarMorghulis

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Originally Posted by RollinHand

So you guys obviously think we have way better equity then the stove shows.
How much does Hero's description of Villain play into your decision here?

Should I add AQ and QJ/KJ/KT to his cr range?

yeah, he can have a pile of gutters and other random air hands.

Possibility he can merge with a worse ace to get hero to shove draws.

Loads of ways a LAG is going to defend his SB open without having to hit the nuts.

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08-04-2010 , 07:42 PM

lnternet

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call and evaluate, I don't think you got enough eq vs his stackoff range to justify 3bettting

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08-04-2010 , 11:53 PM

Jacques Demers

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I really dont hate checking that flop.

I do think its a fold when he raises here.

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08-05-2010 , 12:09 AM

gorlom

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I'm surprised of how many really want to stack off here.

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Originally Posted by Jacques Demers

I really dont hate checking that flop.

I do think its a fold when he raises here.

I wasn't thinking about checking first, but I kinda like it.

and +1 on folding now. I don't see too many pure bluffs in his range, so just look at rollins stove.

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08-05-2010 , 08:39 AM

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Crysan

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Originally Posted by gorlom

and +1 on folding now. I don't see too many pure bluffs in his range, so just look at rollins stove.

Are u serious? Its bvsb and villain is a lag with 18% 3b. No way its a fold. Id call flop and shove to a barrell. Could find a fold to a smallish/"valuebetish" turn bet when the scariest of hearts hit.

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08-05-2010 , 08:44 AM

#11

$upermad4it

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checking flop is gross

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08-05-2010 , 11:00 AM

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ValarMorghulis

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These are the kind of hands that a lag has when he c/raises you here.

Full Tilt Poker $2/$4 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $441.90
SB: $589.20
Hero (BB): $1129.90
UTG: $980.00
MP: $901.30
CO: $400.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BB with Q

4 folds, SB raises to $10, Hero raises to $35, SB calls $25

Flop: ($70.00) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $41, SB raises to $141, Hero calls $100

Turn: ($352.00) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $325, Hero raises to $650, SB calls $88.20 all in

River: ($1178.40) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1178.40
SB shows J

(a pair of Kings)
Hero shows Q

(two pair, Kings and Queens)
Hero wins $1175.40
(Rake: $3.00)

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08-05-2010 , 11:23 AM

#13

pokerslap

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I dont understand why everyone isnt three betting this?

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08-05-2010 , 11:24 AM

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pokerslap

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Originally Posted by Jacques Demers

I really dont hate checking that flop.

I do think its a fold when he raises here.

and you actually like money?

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08-05-2010 , 11:26 AM

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ValarMorghulis

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Originally Posted by pokerslap

I dont understand why everyone isnt three betting this?

To let him spaz the turn since we are in position.

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08-05-2010 , 11:40 AM

#16

LuckyfishZ

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Originally Posted by Jacques Demers

I really dont hate checking that flop.

I do think its a fold when he raises here.

wtf folding is worse than 3betting

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08-05-2010 , 11:44 AM

#17

gorlom

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okay, I haven't seen it was bvb, that changes things.

I agree with Internet then.

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08-05-2010 , 11:45 AM

#18

pokerslap

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just for theory sake do you change how you play the hand at all if you have AQ?

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08-05-2010 , 12:09 PM

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RollinHand

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Yeah we don't beat AQ anymore (ldo) and it's less likely that he has AQ but we don't have to worry about AK I don't think. Equity wise it should make a big difference but it seems like people in this thread expect him to show up with a lot of junk anyways so it's still a call and get in on the turn I guess.

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08-05-2010 , 12:33 PM

#20

Bruut99

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click it back as played!

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08-05-2010 , 12:35 PM

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Bruut99

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Oh btw. If you guys fold this in a 3bet pot BvB, then .. then.. i don't know what to say.

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08-05-2010 , 01:07 PM

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RollinHand

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What do you guys think about villains check raise?
Seems like a bad play to check raise even with a flush draw.

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