villain in this hand runs 32/23/12% 3b. VERY WILD preflop. like he's the type if he iso's a fish, and you 3b him, AT+ 22+ is going in. I PTR'd him and he's a 6bb winner over a good sample but this is AP so that don't mean much.

i'm not sure what to do.. check/call because he'll turn stuff into bluffs?

bet for value? but this is like the bottom of my range for sure and he can't really call me down here esp considering positions pre.

Absolute/UB Cereus Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Absolute/UB Cereus Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($468)
SB ($407)
BB ($2540.50)
Hero (UTG) ($1131.15)
MP ($806.80)
CO ($1019.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, Q
Hero bets $12, 1 fold, CO calls $12, 2 folds, BB calls $8

Flop: ($38) 8, 6, 9 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, CO calls $24, 1 fold

Turn: ($86) K (2 players)
Hero bets $72, CO calls $72

River: ($230) Q (2 players)

not a bad plan.

edit: b/c might also be good depending on how crazy he is. whatever you do, you prob shouldn't fold.

after thinking about it he has to turn every worse hand into bluffs, right? noone checks 87 here in his spot

yeah, i estimate that solid hand readers -- and i'm giving villain credit for being such based on his win rate -- will turn hands like 87 into bluffs when checked to b/c they realize that most regulars in hero's spot will bet the range with which they want to put more money in the pot on the river.

if you assume that my estimate is accurate, you have a guessing/leveling game to deal with if you elect to check the river.

if you don't have history w/ the villain, i would certainly call a bet here if i were to check the river. the reason is that i don't expect him to give you credit for taking into account the thought process i attempted to illustrate above. if he assumes that you're not taking the above thought process into consideration, he has to think you're folding the vast majority of the time after you check the river.

I think c\call is fine also would bet less on turn

Is Absolute really that soft?

Can you give some thoughts on your cbet/turn sizing on this board versus this villain?

i.e.
- Are you cbetting smallish because (i) its your standard (ii) you're trying to induce (iii) other
(whats your likely response to a raise?)

- if the turn was an offsuit Ace would you barrel this size?... Is your turn barrel size mainly to do with your increase in equity?

Also, thoughts on a turn check/raise rather than a barrel? The King is obviously a good barrel card (esepcially given the bdfd you've picked up), but if he's floating wide on the flop (not totally sure if this is the case given your description and probably less likely given flop multi-way), but yeah, a turn check-raise should generate a lot of FE/respect and is probably...
(guess its not great if he realises that your check on such an obviously good barrel card is not a great spot for him to fire two in the hopes to get you to fold... i.e. too often, you'll be check/calling, check/raising and he may just decide to realise his equity for free rather than bluff with it)

As for your river question, I'd agree that a check/call is going to be best.

A huge portion of his range is going to be pair + straight draws, and its highly likely he'll bet these to fold out hands that are slightly better than his (that he thinks you'll more than likely fold)
A bet/call seems thin to me, but I guess it has merit seeing as though I cant really see any hands he can have that will be able to raise for value.

Thinking about it more, a bet/call would actually be pretty sick and is probably better than a check/call (which I still like as well).
...check/call might be better seeing as though hands like pockets 7's, 67, 78, etc might not call a 3rd barrel and wont often bluff raise... but if you check will likely bluff.

Yep, I've swayed back to a check/call.

Uhhhhh. Yeah, people still like showdowns too.