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08-01-2008 , 03:33 AM

GuiGui_88

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villain is 19/17/4. Good TAG

preflop: too deep for 4bet call

flop: could bluff raise but im not repping much. Calling gives me backdoor nut flush and 2 overs that might induce a triple barrel if it hits.

Turn: Bingo. Easy flat call

River: Worst card in the deck. Spades, QQ, AQ got there. Call or fold?

No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($127.40)
MP ($473)
CO ($73.90)
Hero ($834.93)
SB ($540)
BB ($740.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[

], A[

].
3 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $34.

Flop: ($98) 6[

], 8[

] (2 players)
BB bets $65, Hero calls $65.

Turn: ($228) A[

] (2 players)
BB bets $176, Hero calls $176.

River: ($580) Q[

] (2 players)
BB bets $451.9 (All-In), Hero ???

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08-01-2008 , 03:36 AM

albinoskunk

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not a good river but since you're so underrepped i think you should call..i think i raise the turn next time.

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08-01-2008 , 03:53 AM

PrinceBustya

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I shove the turn...you'll probably get called by AQ and might get looked up by KK/QQ given your table image.

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08-01-2008 , 05:49 AM

casino_dealer

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At first look, turn call looks fine. But albinoskunk is right, raising the turn is the best move imo.

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08-01-2008 , 08:47 AM

Praetor

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just calling the turn is definitely the way forward

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08-01-2008 , 08:48 AM

$upermad4it

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I think villain 3 barrel bluffs this board enough to call. AJ would be way tougher

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08-01-2008 , 12:13 PM

Imrahil

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wtf at raising turn. Just call turn call river.

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08-01-2008 , 01:49 PM

SamuraiJon

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I think raising the turn is terribad unless it's a mini-type raise to like 385 and letting him spazz out. In general, letting him bluff the river > raising him off his likely worse hand on the turn

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08-01-2008 , 02:09 PM

casino_dealer

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If he has 99-KK, he would probably check turn for pot control and showdown value. If he has AJ+, he might be willing to get it in on the turn. The only value we get from calling the turn is the hands he bluffs with, and that depends on the frequency he 3 barrels?

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08-01-2008 , 02:30 PM

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SamuraiJon

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Originally Posted by casino_dealer

A good tag will 3b deep oop w/ AJ and is willing to felt it? I think he's blending his ranges on the turn with a bet trying to rep that A if anything. And since he's good, he's likely going to 3 barrel here with worse given that we've taken such a passive line.

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08-01-2008 , 04:32 PM

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duckyfuzz

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another one for call/call.

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08-01-2008 , 05:01 PM

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Mossberg

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I would just call turn too. River looks like a fold to me.

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08-01-2008 , 06:46 PM

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AfricStyle

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Originally Posted by Mossberg

I would just call turn too. River looks like a fold to me.

i think so as well

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08-01-2008 , 06:56 PM

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NxtWrldChamp

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yea call turn and fold to that terrible river card is good
doesnt seem like he expects u to fold

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08-01-2008 , 10:34 PM

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albinoskunk

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i would call any river except maybe a Q or a J of spades..i dont think there is any hand in his range that would show a flush, so i think you're against AQ/QQ (maybe even AA?) a lot more often. if he has QQ, i dont think he would bet that turn but AQ would.

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08-02-2008 , 07:23 AM

#16

Phoenix Rising

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Who's the regular Gui Gui?

I like turn call, don't really think a raise would be too good as it doesn't let him 3 barrel and folds out jj-kk stuff that decided to bet turn. It's gonna depend on if you think they're checking tt-kk or betting it, to fold some value hands into their bluff range to protect their double barrels (I don't think many of the regs you play vs. do this, save for a few).

Depending on the name you give though, I might snapfold or snapcall river.

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08-02-2008 , 09:47 AM

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rems0n

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easy call underrepped+its a good board to 3rd barrel

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08-02-2008 , 09:50 AM

#18

Eddi

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Call turn and call river. You have a smallish PP in his eyes like always.

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08-02-2008 , 10:10 AM

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Ayke

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First easy 4 bet PF. 19-17 is not extremely TAGGY, 190bb is not really deep and it is a button blind situation. Call turn is fine but i would fold the river. It is suprising to me so many people voted for a rivercall

A single pair he would check the turn or river and there are no obv draws there.

My guess is that you lost to 78s or 89s.

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08-02-2008 , 02:02 PM

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JHRoman

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Call since we are "underrepped"??? wot?

Hero just called an almost PSB from preflop agressor on turn when a Ace came on a paired board. Then on river the flush and the queen hits as well, and he shoves!
No way we are good here. Fold.

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08-02-2008 , 03:54 PM

#21

Phoenix Rising

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It's not an easy 4b pf, especially where OP plays

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08-02-2008 , 03:59 PM

#22

etown

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easy fold your deep in pos. you just as easily could have slow played trips on the flop and a strong hand
hes repping a huge range easy fold if your gonna felt post flop with ak when you dont 4 bet

than you should be 4 betting pf

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08-02-2008 , 04:27 PM

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NapoleonDolemite

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By the time you get to the river your hand looks like AA, AK, 66, or some kind of 89s hand. There really aren't a lot of other things your opponent can consider. He can bet the turn with QQ because he doesn't think you like the ace considering flop action.

I don't see your opponent triple barreling you two stacks deep. You probably have the worst hand he'd put you on once you call turn and he is still mashing river. So he has QQ or less likely AA and you should fold.

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08-02-2008 , 04:46 PM

#24

GuiGui_88

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vilain is d7d7d7 something (UB and prima)

his stats are actually 18/15 not 19/17 and when asking him about the hand a day later he said I made a good fold...

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08-02-2008 , 05:16 PM

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TimM846

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Originally Posted by GuiGui_88

vilain is d7d7d7 something (UB and prima)

his stats are actually 18/15 not 19/17 and when asking him about the hand a day later he said I made a good fold...

In that case, I'd fold quickly. I'm sure you've played far more hands with him than I have, but from my experience, he's one of the biggest MSNL nits on UB and I can't remember seeing him screw around in a big pot.

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