Villain is a good reg. He has caught me a couple of times with a river check/raise bluff over our playing history and in general I think he would think that I can make some moves, but in general think I play a solid game and if anything, maybe call down a little too much. This situation really isn't similar to the river check/raises and is much deeper. I'm not sure if we have ever played 300 big blinds deep, but if we have it couldn't have been for many hands. I think he would believe that I would flat TT and 55 on the flop and turn and I likely would. I don't really see much reason to raise them even though the board gets pretty drawy on the turn. If you would rather raise flop or turn with those hands that would be nice to discuss too.

The big blind is a pretty decent regular: 24/17/2.9; 3bet = 7 OVER 14,000 hands.

The button is a fish.


Stats on Villain:

Villain is 21/16/3.4 OVER 17,000 hands.
3bet = 6.1
3bet SB vs. Steal = 10%
3bet vs. Hero = 6%
3bet SB vs. Hero's CO raise = 13%
3bet BB vs. Hero's CO raise = 7%
Flop C-Bet overall = 60%
Flop C-Bet in 3bet pot = 73%
Fold Flop C-Bet to Raise = 53%
Fold Flop C-Bet to Raise in 3bet Pot = 46%
Turn C-Bet overall = 43%
River C-Bet overall = 73%
WTSD = 22%
W$SD = 52%
WWSF = 44%


I could have just folded pre-flop. 300+ big blinds deep and IP I just decided to call. Not the best hand for it though. I probably should have just folded this hand pre-flop.

And I could have folded the turn too. But there are a lot of draws out there he could be betting and with me having a T I thought his range was pretty capped (except for AA which, as mentioned below, maybe he checks at some point [and the one TT combo if he 3bet it pre]) so I decided to call and check back if he checks and maybe bluff shove if he bets.

With this shove I need him to fold ~65% of the time. I have a T so I block TT combos (if he 3bets those here) and I block AT combos (for however often he 3bets that here). Maybe he checks somewhere with AA since he has the board a little crushed with that hand (though it is a bit drawy on the flop and then even more so on the turn). The main goal is of course to fold out AK and AQ (for however often he has AQ) ..... (maybe A5, particularly A5s if he would have 3bet that). What do you think?


And my having a K is a bit bad for this since I am blocking 2 combos of AK. Whatever you think here, does it change much if I have Tc9c instead of KT?


Do you like bluff shoving the river better or worse if it was a non-pairing diamond? A non-pairing spade?


Thanks.

Available combinations of some hands are:

AK --> 9
AQ --> 12
AA --> 3
TT --> 1
AT --> 6

Bluffing with the T9cc>bluffing with the KsT because like you said you don't block AK and you don't block some KQss/KJss that turned more equity and continued to barrel.

Why do you discount 55 from his range? I assume you have A4hh in your range as well, so you have 7 combos you could shove for value. He needs to be good roughly 35% of the time to call, so you want to be bluffing 3-4 combos. I would say that the best bluffing combos are the ones that block his range that definitely bets/call, don't block the range that bluffs and don't block the range he bets for value/folds, so some T9cc/T9hh and 1-2 more Tx, like you said.

On a non-paired diamond I'd rather bluff with the KdTc/KdTs/KdTh, non paired spade I think the best bluffing hands would be the Asx as you would most likely play all 11 combos of Axss this way (call|call|shove), and if you don't have the As, then he probably has many Asx played this way.

What does your value shoving range look like? I'm not sure that shoving 55 is that great, but I could be way off. That doesn't leave many value hands, hence not needing many bluffing hands. This may not be the worst hand to bluff but not sure it's that high up the list either.

The turn call looks pretty bad to me. Not sure how often you are folding the turn if you want to call this.

Raising river for value with TT, 55, A4s, maybe AT. I'm not sure about AT, but it blocks so many of the hands that beat me (AA, TT, A4s) leaving just 3 combos of those so he wouldn't have to call with AK,AQ,A5s too often. Ah ... actually I guess I'm not sure about A4s either.


I was also thinking what about a smaller river raise instead of a shove? Like $800 to $900.

Fold pre. Being 300+bbs deep isn't an excuse to spew. A true RIO hand unless you flop a straight.

Yea, I've acknowledged this already:

though I'd guess calling probably isn't all that bad.



Pretend I had Tc9c. Now what do you think?

I think I'd rather flat KTs preflop than T9s and T9s rather than KTo.

Do you ever 4bet from these positions?

What about turning our hand into a bluff earlier in the hand?

Thinking player will see that you didn't raise the turn in pos. to protect your Big made Ax type hand: Ak, AQ,AT,A5s,A4s

After flatting turn and shoving river, you are repping narrow range of hands, made up of boats. i.e. AA,TT,55,
(I expect 4x of diamonds to raise turn)

Due to your line,,i think villain can call with Ax, JJ-KK
He can even try to bluff catch with worse Tx.

i forgot to include TT,55 in range of hands that would raise turn most of the time in pos.

I just don't see any strong hands that would flat turn in pos.. with tons ov draws out there, yet shove the river.

He would never call with worse than an A due to the risk of Lego bluffing with Ax.

pre is fine, i'd fold turn even though there are lots of good rivers that you can bluff. As played, hm, sick spot if he has AK but I think he ends up calling a decent amount with strong aces after a while.

lol.
Think u should go and watch some Phil HeLLmuth videos. Green belt so on...

Didnt mean to hurt any feelings.

Do you have a turn raising range? If so, what is it?

Not sure you valuejam even 55, so that leaves you with only three combos of TT I'm afraid.

I might not even jam TT against some opponents with these stacks tbh.

You guys think it's better to bluff river with T9 or A9? (assuming we have both in range) Which blocker is bettter?
When V bet/calls he has both Ax and Tx in range, when he bet/folds he only has Ax hands I'd say. So would you say T5 would be the best possible hand to bluff with in this situation? (if we missclicked preflop)

But yes, in reality KT with no diamond is probably one of our best bluff hands otr.. Maybe TJ/TQ would be a bit better if we think V folds AK.

5T>9T>TJ>TQ>TK>No cards>A9>AJ...>JJ>QQ>JQ>KQ>KK... is what I think

AA is the hand we really want to have blockers for, and I'd say AK is by far the most likely value hand that we can bluff him off of, making a K a very bad blocker to have.

The choice between A9 and T9 is difficult. The ace blocker reduces AK a lot less than AA, but we don't know how often he three bets TT, making the blocker effect against that hand harder to estimate. My guess would be that A9 is a better bluff than T9.

A9 has more value as a bluff but that's mainly due to reducing his value range. Am I crazy here for thinking you can manage call here if you have A9? GTO wise, if you're not calling with A9 I don't even see much point of value betting AK. And A9 doesn't block any of the broadway bluffs so it is particularly ideal for bluff catching. I value it too much as a bluff catcher to use it in a bluff range.

Kind of with Nirwanda here, there just isn't much of a shoving range at all. 44 is probably in my range here but that's a discussion for a later day.

FISH.

This to me looks like a pretty awful spot to jam. If the board wasn't suited on the flop this spot might be a little better, but honestly I think your really only going to get AK to fold (AK could even find a hero call cuz of the 2 diamonds on the flop). AP I don't like the call on the flop unless your going to raise the turn or fold the turn. I dont think you can rep a 4 here so your raising range is very slim. As mentioned above, you also have a blocker to the one hand you might get to fold.

That being said, if this is the type of play you do like once every 14k hands then yeah, its probably a solid play and +EV because your adding some bluffs to a line that you claim you play with 55 and TT. If thats the way you would play 55 and TT in this spot, and you think villian knows this, then you can do this bluff once in awhile

What hands would you ever play like this?

Just curious as to what hands are folding that have you beat other than Ax when you bluff with Ax here.

Really, you'd be comfortable felting 300 big blinds here against a solid player with second nuts? I mean, he reps the three combos of AA pretty well.

You kinda contradict yourself anyway as You said that you expected most people to fold AK, so what the heck worse can villain call with then? The one remaining combo of AT (or 55 that he chose to randomy 3bet)?

I'd jam TT against some, but not all, and the ones I do jam against I'd certainly expect to get looked up with by Ax a decent amount.