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400NL, 236 big blinds deep; 2nd nuts on coordinated board facing turn raise - how to proceed 400NL, 236 big blinds deep; 2nd nuts on coordinated board facing turn raise - how to proceed

02-21-2014 , 12:47 AM
No HUDs.

I am pretty sure that before this day I had never seen villain (or at least not much, or at least I don't remember). But so far this day he seems to be playing a TAGish game. Maybe something like 28/22 and he seems to be 3betting a decent amount. He has 3bet me several times. He also seems to be playing aggressively post-flop with some flop raises and generally seems to be playing well. His flop fold to cbet is probably around 50%. I haven't mixed it up with him too much to the point where we got to showdowns. However, I don't think I have yet to see him call the flop and raise the turn.

What is the best plan as to how to proceed in this hand for the remainder of the turn and the river?



[converted_hand][hand_history]$2/$4 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23872891

Hero (CO): $1,498.47 (374.6 bb)
BTN: $944.23 (236.1 bb)
SB: $479 (119.8 bb)
BB: $603.04 (150.8 bb)
UTG: $860.74 (215.2 bb)
MP: $400 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $12, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30) 3 T J (2 players)
Hero bets $21, BTN calls $21

Turn: ($72) K (2 players)
Hero bets $56, BTN raises to $210, Hero ???
400NL, 236 big blinds deep; 2nd nuts on coordinated board facing turn raise - how to proceed Quote
02-21-2014 , 01:17 AM
If villain has been 3 betting a decent amount I assume he would be 3 betting Aq a good amount Co vs Bu. At same time if we 3 bet the turn I think we will look super strong and he is likely to fold a lot of hands that we have beat/draws on such a wet board and still possible he could have AQ. I like flatting turn and pretty much calling every single river.
400NL, 236 big blinds deep; 2nd nuts on coordinated board facing turn raise - how to proceed Quote
02-21-2014 , 01:22 AM
Flat turn call river IMO. I don't mind raising the turn, but I don't love it either. Nice hand hope you scooped
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02-21-2014 , 01:51 AM
yeah what above said, 3b the turn don't really accomplish much, plus he would be 3betting AQ otb decent amount of time, just flat and call/lead most rivers
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02-21-2014 , 12:45 PM
^ yea think his 3b% is the key stat here if hes above 10 or smth i guess you can feel a bit more comfortable
as played flatting playing for a bet otr seems fine/pretty good
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02-21-2014 , 06:30 PM
I think given stacks, some villains (even those with high 3b) might be less likely to 3b AQ. Given he's so polarized, I'm calling turn and c/c river.
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02-21-2014 , 07:26 PM
maybe if you were 234 or 235 bb deep u could get it in, but at 236 you gotta call call
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02-21-2014 , 09:38 PM
if SB or BB are the fish table, OTB have a lot of incitive to just flat AQ OTB.

I hate his turn sizing, I think he will bet biiiiig on the river. You can't 3B the turn, so call, check and hate your life/call river.

I'll be not shocked with a fold on the turn or the river.
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02-21-2014 , 11:09 PM
Um he raised your turn bet 4x in a spot where have at least a set like 30% of the time. Seems like you can just shrug and fold this.


Also Q9o seems pretty loose from the cutoff with a tough aggro player on the button with deep stacks.
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02-21-2014 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 13_Xerxes
if SB or BB are the fish table, OTB have a lot of incitive to just flat AQ OTB.

I hate his turn sizing, I think he will bet biiiiig on the river. You can't 3B the turn, so call, check and hate your life/call river.

I'll be not shocked with a fold on the turn or the river.

The bolded is not the case. SB and BB are both decent to good regulars.
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02-21-2014 , 11:27 PM
In that case i think the open pre is pretty bad.
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02-22-2014 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05
The bolded is not the case. SB and BB are both decent to good regulars.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renton555
In that case i think the open pre is pretty bad.
Well ... big blind plays a solid TAG game, but I have not seen him play back much at all .. his 3bet is like 2.5% to 4% and his fold to steal is in the 70's.

The small blind, I didn't know too much about at this point except that he seemed to be playing decently TAG without 3betting too much.


I agree the open pre obviously isn't as good as if there were a a bad player or 2 in the blinds, but what I have in the blinds are two players who fairly rarely 3bet. Even then, my open may not be good, especially given it seems button may play back more often ... but my hands vs. him are limited.
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