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[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro [400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro

11-16-2008 , 10:11 AM
Hi

Im taking a shot at 400nl and vilain seems a regular, he is 15/11 (90 hands) so far and seems very aggro.

I think i missplayed the two hands.

Here the first


$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($788.35)
CO ($399.90)
Hero ($767.10)
SB ($62.00)
BB ($409.00)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BTN K K
UTG raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $48, SB raises to $62, 1 fold, UTG calls $48, Hero calls $14

Flop: 7 K 7 ($190, 3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: 4 ($190, 3 players)
UTG bets $125, Hero calls $125

River: 6 ($440, 3 players)
UTG bets $330, Hero raises to $580.10, UTG folds

Final Pot: $1350.10
Hero shows: K K
SB shows: J J

Hero wins $1347.10 ( won +$580.00 )
SB lost -$62.00
UTG lost -$517.00


I thought his handranges was any pocket pairs and any big aces. I thought about betting flop but i was scared about making him fold the biggest part of his range. If i bet, he would only continue with AA/KK/AK and sometimes QQ. I wanted to let him catch and i thought even if he had AA i doubt he would be able to fold it. Besides he might be on the flushdraw, so lets him have it


What do you think of my thoughts? Would you have played the same? What do you think he beted the turn and the river with ? total air?


#2 hand against the same guy

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
3 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($1319.10)
SB ($411.00)
BB ($396.80)

Pre-flop: ($6, 3 players) Hero is BTN T 8
Hero raises to $14, SB folds, BB raises to $48, Hero calls $34

Flop: 8 3 4 ($98, 2 players)
BB bets $74, Hero calls $74

Turn: Q ($246, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: 5 ($246, 2 players)
BB bets $274.80, Hero folds

Final Pot: $520.80

BB wins $518.80 ( won +$122.00 )
Hero lost -$122.00


I think i really missplayed this hands, i called to try to outflop him + position, and i think he pushed me over

how would you have played it?
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-16-2008 , 11:46 AM
First hand seems fine to me.

Second one feels like a fold, but not really sure. Also wondering if 4bet bluffing works well against these nits that 3bet light. I suspect that they have trash an unusually high percent of the time.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-16-2008 , 11:59 AM
First hand is ok.

Fold hand 2 pre. The guy is 15/11 for crying out loud.

And he seems aggro to you because he is 15/11, he's bound to be aggro because he's going to have it a lot.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-16-2008 , 12:56 PM
both hands are fine fold 2nd pre tho post is excellent.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-16-2008 , 01:21 PM
I would have played hand 1 the same. Hand 2 i would instafold pre, if a 15/11 guy 3bets me then i have no problem mucking my T8s and give him the pot.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-16-2008 , 09:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pwoita
Second one feels like a fold, but not really sure. Also wondering if 4bet bluffing works well against these nits that 3bet light. I suspect that they have trash an unusually high percent of the time.
Also, some 15/11 guys do actually understand their image and can tend to 3bet an insane amount on occasion - which is why I made that comment that if they are doing that, it will be trash enough to make a 4bet with air profitable cuz not only are they opening wide and so folding alot, they are folding an even wider range than normal due to nittiness and undervalueing hands. But yeh ... was wondering about that against the nits that realise their image and 3bet a crazy amount occasionally.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-17-2008 , 08:45 PM
Ok thanks again for the answears, ive some questions tho:

What s the kind of hands you wanna call a 3bet against thoses nits? I would naturally think SC are fine because i could outflop them a good amount or time, i ll play them fit or fold actually (shove fd and maybe straightdraw?) Is 9Ts way better than T8s against them?
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-17-2008 , 10:08 PM
You wont outflop often enough a 15/11 with a suited connectors to call his 3-bets profitably.
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-17-2008 , 10:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddi
First hand is ok.

Fold hand 2 pre. The guy is 15/11 for crying out loud.

And he seems aggro to you because he is 15/11, he's bound to be aggro because he's going to have it a lot.
saves me typing the exact same thing, thx Eddi
[400NL] 2 hands against a 15/11 very aggro Quote
11-18-2008 , 12:37 AM
Fold against 15/10s. Not worth continuing and like others said, you won't flop big enough against his range. 15/11 3handed? Just open every button until he adjusts...
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