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07-20-2009 , 06:30 PM

Boerstyboy

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$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($746.10)
CO ($949.50)
BTN ($412.00)
SB ($736.50)
Hero (BB) ($799.00)

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB T

3 folds, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $12

Flop: 4

($34, 2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls $25

Turn: 5

($84, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, SB raises to $120, Hero calls $80

River: 8

($324, 2 players)
SB bets $150, $150 to Hero ($638)?

29/22/ 11 3bet over 20khands datamined are reads on villian
nothin else

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07-20-2009 , 06:32 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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I'd probably fold turn. He's repping a pretty strong range, and half the deck looks awful for you on the river.

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07-20-2009 , 06:33 PM

Fayth

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I agree with folding turn, river is a fold now

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07-20-2009 , 06:38 PM

Boerstyboy

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the question i had is what other than a draw is he check/raising on this turn card ?
it is reasonable to play red Kings this way ?

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07-20-2009 , 06:44 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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JJ-AA, all flushes, all full houses, 5x, 67 maybe(?), even if he's c/r'ing something like AJo, you still have a tough decision on a lot of rivers if he pulls the trigger.

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07-20-2009 , 06:45 PM

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If you think that he is bet/folding 44, 5x, straights and flushes here, it would be pretty good to turn our hand into a bluff and shove but he is most likely not betting those here so we fold.

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07-20-2009 , 06:54 PM

Boerstyboy

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Originally Posted by Daddy Warbucks

JJ-AA, all flushes, all full houses, 5x, 67 maybe(?), even if he's c/r'ing something like AJo, you still have a tough decision on a lot of rivers if he pulls the trigger.

i dont get why he should check all these hands. is he expecting me to float this turn ? on this board ? i can understand that he wanna do this with a monster ok. but 29/22 people dont hit monsters all the time

But mb your right and im just a statoins justifying my call ^^

i called becasue i put a FD in his range
and i dont put small flushes and red JJ-AA in his range that often

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07-20-2009 , 06:57 PM

Daddy Warbucks

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Okay, what percentage of the time do you think he's bluffing turn with a hand you have good equity?

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07-21-2009 , 05:06 AM

Boerstyboy

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ok ye i got the point. i cant call because he will not allow me to make a clear +ev dezision on the river. he can fire JQKA and a bigger bet on any spade. and with his entire range

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07-21-2009 , 05:11 AM

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So even the hands you are beating have a bunch of equity here, plus you have to face a lot of rivers you might get bluffed off of. That said, this line is rarely taken as a bluff, and I'd expect him to already have you slaughtered on the turn 90% of the time.

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07-21-2009 , 05:40 AM

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LOL_Colij

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No ones really mentioned villains bet sizing, which id imagine would be a bit with the turn ch.r and then river bet. Whether or not the turn is a call is up for grabs, but turning TT into a bluff on the river looks pretty good

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07-21-2009 , 05:49 AM

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bias1

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i think warbucks hit it spot on in this thread.

as played, his betsizing really looks like hes going for thin value, and seems a bit like a blocker bet. i think a shove here gets a lot of folds.

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07-21-2009 , 05:50 AM

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he never c/r turn with an 88 except 88 of which there is 1 combo.

plus, his bet sizing looks pretty blocker-ish.

i really really like a bluff shove here

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07-21-2009 , 05:56 AM

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I think it depends how good of a handreader he is to if a shove gets folds. If he is a good hand reader, he will snap a shove. The board double pairing limits us having a flush shoving for value, it also makes 8x or 5x the only hands we shove for value. We could have 5x, but turn sizing sort of limits that. I only think we can have As8x and play it this way. If I were villain I would never put a boat playing like this.

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07-21-2009 , 05:58 AM

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jackwilcox

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calling turn c/r with 8x is the same as calling with TT though

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07-21-2009 , 06:04 AM

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Boerstyboy

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this villain would not fold to a shove because we rep nothing and really nothin here with our turn call and or river shove other than a bluff. i dont think he give us credit for having 8x hands here more often than a bluff

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07-21-2009 , 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by jackwilcox

calling turn c/r with 8x is the same as calling with TT though

Agreed, but there is a difference in betting the turn. I doubt most would bet turn w/ 8x, but TT is an ez turn valuebet when checked to

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07-21-2009 , 07:02 AM

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bicolor_le_bond

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river fold > shove >>>>>> call

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07-21-2009 , 07:30 AM

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no one's talked about hero's turn betsizing & call.

I'd just bet $65 fold to a raise.

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07-21-2009 , 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fish2shark

no one's talked about hero's turn betsizing & call.

I'd just bet $65 fold to a raise.

good point. turn bet size is far too small

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