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05-01-2014 , 10:38 AM

wahesh95

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 498

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26420091

BTN: $5.37 (107.4 bb)
SB: $5.50 (110 bb)
BB: $5.07 (101.4 bb)
Hero (UTG): $5.87 (117.4 bb)
MP: $7.21 (144.2 bb)
CO: $10.48 (209.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $0.15, MP folds, CO raises to $0.52, 2 folds, BB calls $0.47, Hero raises to $5.87 and is all-in, 2 folds

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Question may sound really stupid, but with my 4bet, do I just shove? Or do I raise to $1.50-2?

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05-01-2014 , 10:49 AM

Swedishmonkey

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,713

Better to 4bet-induce imo. Would make it like 1,52ish. To give him a chance to think you still could be bluffing and that he would have FE if he shoves. To let him spazz.

Also think you are more likely to get his whole stack if he has the valuehands JJ+ and Ak if you 4bet-induce instead of shoveing.

Hmm maybe not more likely. I guess it won't make that big of a difference, but if you take the spazz in consideration 4bet small is better imo.

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05-01-2014 , 11:17 AM

strikershank

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i'd make it 1.75 hoping hoping to get shoved on (snap call);

your 4bet probably only gets called by AA. Even QQ would be hard pressed to call that big of a shove. you're basically turning your cards over and telling villain i have AA or KK. Villain, without a read/seeing you bluff shove before, should be inclined to think you are not bluffing until proven otherwise so the fold equity of your play is sky high - not what you want with KK.

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05-01-2014 , 01:49 PM

Soulwaxical

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No need to shove. Between 1.50 and 1.75 is fine. In fact a 4bet shove should never be part of your game 100bbs deep.

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05-01-2014 , 03:21 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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Make it 1.50, maybe 1.40.

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05-01-2014 , 06:46 PM

wahesh95

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Originally Posted by strikershank

at 5NL you won't believe the stuff people can call it all in with

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05-01-2014 , 07:32 PM

Avizura

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 2,340

So why ask us what we would do???

Anyways, I make it 2.2-2.5x bigger to induce a reraise or make them call. If they call with aces and no ace hits the board are you get it in it's obvs a cooler

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05-01-2014 , 09:28 PM

wahesh95

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 498

So here's the question, if I 4 bet to like 1.50-1.70, and an ace comes on the flop, do I cbet? or no, because big aces are a big part of their range

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05-01-2014 , 09:34 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 14,125

Don't expect them to flat often, but as a general rule check everything on Axx in a 4b pot.

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