I'd like to hear some thoughts about this. I've heard to raise 4x in all pos exept the CO and BTN to build the pot bigger. I just have a few questions on that , What if your playing like 22/18 and opening a lot of pots? I been keeping it my standard 3x in every pos.

Also if I'm 10-12 tabling should I keep my stats that high or should i tighten up a little cause of not totally being able to focus on table dynamics?

tks all


Just had another ****ty session and questioning everything like always



IM playing 25nl now... prob should of added that info

I usually run around 17/15 and can't imagine being as profitable doing so if I were opening to 4x. If you're a 10/7 nit I think you should probably open 4x from all positions and maybe 5x or 6x in EP.

I prefer a 4x open in EP and 3x everywhere else. I think that a 2x steal is okay from the BTN or CO but I 24 table and prefer to keep things more simple.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...sizing-439235/

ya i read this lol I did use the search button , but that was 3 months ago. A lot of info out there now and the game is changing, even at the 25nl level...

I play a LAG style and mainly open to 4xbb, sometimes 3xbb on the Bu. Will increase the open/iso size if facing player/s who are willing to call more preflop. Lower the size if I want more room to maneuver post-flop.

Depends on the table. If I notice that people are calling my 3x raise with trash, i'll up to 4x maybe 5x, because they'll still call, and that means $$$ for me.

I play a sLAGy game and fewer tables (6-8). I prefer to raise 4x from EP and MP and 3x from button regarless of hand strength.

BUT, BUT BUT if fish stack sizes are weird low etc. you will want to raise to 3x at certain situtations and 4x in others (like if the 88/15 drooler at your table has only 40bbs) or your iso raising some ****** with 20BB stacks. etc.

Also if there is a ton of 3-betting from the blinds, i reduce my steal size to 2x because I don't like playing 3-bet pots with marginal holdings and my f-3bet is high.

btw limping is also good in LP say if you want to set-mine with deuces vs a 80/0 passive calling station. who'll always check call anything including ace high and play any two.

and who happens to have only 60BBs etc.

Up to $50nl I think minraising all your marginal hands and 5-6xbbing your strong hands is the best play.

Unless you're playing at a table of total idiots, this seems incredibly exploitable, even by bad players.

Your open raise size should reflect the strength of your range as a default.

Adjust the default for opponent tendencies, position and stack sizes.

I think charges is trying to imply that everybody at 50NL tables including the regs are actually total idiots. I wouldn't disagree much :P

I always make it 3x from every position, regardless of table dynamics/image etc. Old habit

no you don't ifs. :P!

do I not? I was pretty sure I did...

I'm gonna channel my inner Durrrr and say that I don't wanna give too much info away on this, hahaha.

I think standard raise sizes are for suckers.

I'll routinely raise 3, 4, and 5x, and the occassional spazzy-looking overbets, from lots of different positions and in lots of different situations.

You have to think about what you're trying to accomplish with each raise you're making.

And don't be static in your thinking.

If 3 people limp and you look down at 97s or 44 in the CO, try raising 7x and seeing what happens.

Do you iso wide? Is there a difference between your iso-raise and your standard open? Is there a difference between your standard iso-range and your standard value open-range?

Lots of things to think about.

Think it was Bobbo Fitos who posted about bet sizing in a thread in SSFR forum that was discussing this topic.

While almost everyone was saying if you are tight your raise size should be bigger and less if you are loose. He posted that it is actually the opposite of that.

Will try and find it......


Interestingly, If you watched HSP5 with Durrrr who was playing what seemed like 50% of hands, his raise sizing was on the larger side comparative to the table.

I 3x every spot except the button where I 2x my entire range.

I would be interested in reading this as I am under the impression that if you put in larger raises with a consistently weaker range ur gonna get smoked.

oh and HSP5 is massively edited for TV ldo and whatever Durrrr (or anyone else) does there is not entirely representative of their game, table dynamics, donkament pro wars in cash games etc etc. oh and stacks are way bigger than what we play with.

ok i found it here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...-sizes-142562/

This was the extent of Bobbo's thoughts on sizing in this thread:

I'm going to go back and read the rest of it through now since Krantz and Bryce and Matt Flynn and a ton of other good thinkers also posted.

I raise 3x from everywhere as a standard, though am known to minR quite a bit as well.

Also, I am guessing the BoboFittos quote is taken from 6max strategy. In which case, i very much agree. Def better to go bigger there given the overall atmosphere. At FR, however, i would say TAGs need to raise bigger and LAGs need to raise smaller. The postflop "big pot hand range" is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch different and hence why the strategies change drastically from game to game.

hope that makes sense.

Yeah the Bobbo quotes are actually taken out of context quit a bit after reading through the thread. There's actually some really good stuff in there but Bryce's OP was regarding game theory optimal play in increasing open raise sizes in the SB in HU cash games as stacks got deeper, so most of it does not apply at all to our topic.

BUT, there actually are a number of good posts wrt our topic in that thread before it descends into into a flame war at post #65:

What I agree with in bold:

^Totally agree with all of Matt's post - goes back to my other post where I said your open raise size should reflect the strength of your range.

minraise button, 3x from everywhere else

If im playing loose and open lots of pots, i raise 3xBB and i im playing tight, than i raise to 4xBB, because when im playing loose, i try to see cheap flops, steal pots pre or play in position. (3xBB is really good, because the only difference between 3BB and 4BB is The BigBlind, who only has to call 2BBs to see the flop - but he will be out of position, thats really good for u )
When i play tight, i want to get as much value pre as possible, so 4xBB is good, because my intention is not stealing many pots pre, but playing huge pots with the best of it.

But .... i didnt play tight for more than 5 months