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3bet pot flop middle pair on drawy board c-bet or not?

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10-27-2010 , 08:16 AM

african princee

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villain is 24/19/2 over 1.9k hands fold to 3 bet is 66% fold to c-bet is 42%
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UTG: $27.99
CO: $45.53
BTN: $25.00
SB: $26.46
Hero (BB): $25.22

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with A

2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.75) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.00, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($12.75) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.00, Hero folds

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10-27-2010 , 08:42 AM

Rob Filter

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I c/f this flop, his flatting range is 99-JJ, AQ, maybe other broadways - he's not flatting suited connectors and pocket pairs. All of these hands hit this board really hard. The only hand in his range that doesn't hit this board in some way is AK, and he only flats that sometimes, depending on the SB's and your image.

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More importantantly don't c/c this flop. c/f > b/f >>> c/c. c/c'ing in 3bet pots with initiative is generally not a good plan.

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10-27-2010 , 08:46 AM

grumpshky

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AJs doesn't fare well against his 3bet continuation range, especially oop. What are the small blind stats? I'd honestly consider flatting this and playing a hand that does well multiway and dominates their ranges. You want to play against those 66% of hands he folds to a 3 bet.

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10-27-2010 , 08:48 AM

curly86

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3betting AJ here is not great imo, unless you have history/reads that he calls with worse, gives up easily postflop in 3bet pots etc. What boards do you want to play for stacks on?

On flop I dont really like c/c, either c/f or b/f imo.

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10-27-2010 , 09:16 AM

Ligic

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dont 3bet pre

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10-27-2010 , 10:47 AM

ferdinand

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The squeeze is fine by me. I would c-bet / shutdown unless you read him as a floater ...

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10-27-2010 , 11:07 AM

xxwerdxx

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Originally Posted by Ligic

dont 3bet pre

Why?

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10-27-2010 , 11:39 AM

Ligic

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unless btn is a huge fish id flat

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10-27-2010 , 11:43 AM

Mark89er

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going by all these threads your making, i would suggest u keep to a value 3betting range, theres no point putting urself into stupid bloat pot spots, as its pretty clear post flop ur very weak tight.......u might be trying to improve on this, i dunno.....but u sure in hell like to c/f tons

Last edited by Mark89er; 10-27-2010 at 11:55 AM.

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10-27-2010 , 11:49 AM

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greatscout

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I wouldn't 3bet pf because this hand doesn't play well HU oop. I wouldn't c/c the flop because you look really weak, I would either b/f or c/r as played folding is the only option.

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10-27-2010 , 11:53 AM

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Ligic

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AJ plays well hu in 3bet pots, this just might not be a good spot to 3bet it

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10-27-2010 , 01:42 PM

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Stemm

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I don't mind the 3-bet pre -- saves us from playing a marginal hand oop to the raiser 2/3 of the time, when he folds, and gives us initiative.

Calling has the benefit of keeping the part of his range we're clearly ahead of in, but we're then playing oop.

As played, c/f or b/f the flop. c/c is really bad

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10-27-2010 , 05:35 PM

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african princee

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Originally Posted by Mark89er

yeah i think your right, im probly even worse in 3 bet pots. it's definantly something im trying to work on as majority of my threads are spots where iv'e made questionable folds. iv'e come from grinding sng's so im still trying to fine tune my postflop skills.

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10-27-2010 , 07:44 PM

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JimMick

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so if villain is folding to 3bets 66% of the time, are you bluffing with AJs or 3betting for value?

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