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11-19-2015 , 01:52 AM
Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.84 (118.4 bb)
BB: $13.63 (136.3 bb)
Hero (MP): $14.01 (140.1 bb)
CO: $11.82 (118.2 bb)
BTN: $4.30 (43 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with T T
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $0.95, Hero calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) 2 3 8 (2 players)
BB bets $1.23, Hero ??


villian is 24/17 reg. he 3bets 10.5% from the blinds.

i saw him double or triple barreling a few times without seeing a showdown.
whats the best line here?
raise?
call and raise turn? what do i do if he check raises or check calls a broadway card on turn?
call down?

Last edited by vik2204; 11-19-2015 at 01:58 AM.
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11-19-2015 , 03:03 AM
not being a dick but call, sit out next bb, and move down stakes.
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11-19-2015 , 03:17 AM
With such a high 3 bet stat I think we should 4 bet him here. TT is rough to play post flop and if we get flatted we have a solid idea of where we're at when something like this happens. If he shoves we'll probably have to fold but I would imagine if he's 3 betting wide he's going to have to fold alot of the time.

As played, I think either raise or call is fine. If you call you're probably gonna have to call 3 streets unless turn and river are both over cards.
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11-19-2015 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by swoni
not being a dick but call, sit out next bb, and move down stakes.
whats your point? no offense but your comment is beeing a dick....
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11-19-2015 , 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by E Mo
With such a high 3 bet stat I think we should 4 bet him here. TT is rough to play post flop and if we get flatted we have a solid idea of where we're at when something like this happens. If he shoves we'll probably have to fold but I would imagine if he's 3 betting wide he's going to have to fold alot of the time.

As played, I think either raise or call is fine. If you call you're probably gonna have to call 3 streets unless turn and river are both over cards.
why should we turn our hand into a bluff? we have position and very good equity. isnt it better to keep his range wide?
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11-19-2015 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by vik2204
why should we turn our hand into a bluff? we have position and very good equity. isnt it better to keep his range wide?
Upon further consideration I think a call is fine pre and I think a call is absolutely the correct play on the flop. We're in a WA/WB situation and calling keeps in hands like AK that have very little equity against us and doesn't bloat the pot if we're up against a bigger overpair.
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11-19-2015 , 12:44 PM
Call flop, evaluate on each card and barrel. I'd never be raising most likely. If the turn is a scare card I still may call to see what he does on the river. If he triples you, well, you have a hard decision and he's just playing pretty good.
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11-19-2015 , 02:41 PM
Don't raise just call and re-evaluate.
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11-19-2015 , 10:29 PM
I agree with E mo about 4betting pre. If he's 3b wide like you've said he'll likely be folding wide to 4bs.

On this flop it is a call because
a) you have position on him and
b) you get value from all his bluffs
c) you represent a pair or set by flatting

If he's bluffing in this spot (and since you also pointed out that he 2 barrels often) you'd expect him to barrel turn cards such as A, K, Q, J and probably check turn cards which are 2 to T.
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11-19-2015 , 10:32 PM
3b by position and fv4b and 5b are pretty important elements. I know lot of regs with 12%+ in blinds but from these positions its a super nitty 4%. It's really important for spots like this.
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11-19-2015 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by cardbrute
3b by position and fv4b and 5b are pretty important elements. I know lot of regs with 12%+ in blinds but from these positions its a super nitty 4%. It's really important for spots like this.
Solid point. I'm assuming that you have HUD stats that shows you 3b habits according to position?

I am using poker copilot. Let me know if you have a way of including those stats
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11-19-2015 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lannister
I agree with E mo about 4betting pre. If he's 3b wide like you've said he'll likely be folding wide to 4bs.

On this flop it is a call because
a) you have position on him and
b) you get value from all his bluffs
c) you represent a pair or set by flatting

If he's bluffing in this spot (and since you also pointed out that he 2 barrels often) you'd expect him to barrel turn cards such as A, K, Q, J and probably check turn cards which are 2 to T.
agree thats how i read the hand as well. 24/17 with 10% 3 bet % isn't any where close to what i think is aggro.

i see plenty of good lag players player 25-30 vpip and 23-28 pfr with a 3 bet % of 8% +. Especially if its a zoom game you would be suprised at how much dead money this type of play cleans up. Their non shown down winnings are insane.
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11-24-2015 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by booogeee
agree thats how i read the hand as well. 24/17 with 10% 3 bet % isn't any where close to what i think is aggro.



i see plenty of good lag players player 25-30 vpip and 23-28 pfr with a 3 bet % of 8% +. Especially if its a zoom game you would be suprised at how much dead money this type of play cleans up. Their non shown down winnings are insane.

I feel that the Lag style would me more profitable as at the higher end of micros and at higher stakes as play styles are generally more aggressive the higher up you go. I can't say much about zoom as its never appealed to me, but at 2NL I'm not sure if it would be optimal to play a lag style against players with a VPIP of 45 and up who cold call a lot.
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11-24-2015 , 03:51 PM
Looks like standard call pre call flop vs 10.5% 3bets
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11-24-2015 , 05:05 PM
Why are we focusing on 3b % when we dont even know the sample size? Im not 4 betting unless it is a 350+ sample size. Standard call pre and standard call on flop though.

Also not betting turn if checked too so dont worry about being check raised. Focus on pot control. We ard quite deep vs a reg here.
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11-24-2015 , 05:13 PM
Also, him 3 betting 10% from blinds probably comes from him 3betting CO, BTN, and SB opens. His 3 bet from blinds range probably tightens up substantially vs UTG and MP
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11-24-2015 , 05:20 PM
We should basically never 4bet this as we would be turning our hand into a bluff and there is just no reason to with TT. That is unless of course we happy to GII here but given we 135bb deep and the games aren't playing very aggressive at these stakes I would just call here pretty much all the time. And just call flop re-evaluate turn as people have already said.
I also much prefer just calling in these spots with position specially given that his 3bet is on the small side.
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