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08-04-2010 , 06:16 AM

RP1

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Villain limped twice and this is his first pre raise.

Full Tilt Poker $33 + $1.50 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players

Hero (BB): t1485 49.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1515 50.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with T

BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t120) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t60, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t240) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t240, Hero calls t240

River: (t720) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t1155 all in

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08-04-2010 , 06:22 AM

TBruck

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puh, river shove doesn't look too good imo, could be a busted draw.

only AK and a 9 has you bet (and 88), so I really consider a call there.
but without further reads fold probably the better choice.

actually the K is the perfect river card because it splits your pot vs AQ and AJ.
and when you decide to calla pot-size bet on the turn why giving up the river?

imo: fold turn>call river>shove turn>call river>fold river>bet river

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08-04-2010 , 07:49 AM

Jackson Kings

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I'd fold turn. When you call on the turn, you must allready know what you are gonna do vs a big riverbet or jam.

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08-04-2010 , 07:58 AM

Air-Bear

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I check-raise the flop.

On the river I'm quite sure you're beat, although villain's repping a thin range. Overbetshoves from people who limp preflop are rarely bluffs I think.

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08-04-2010 , 08:19 AM

Souleh

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K is perfect river card, could have paired up villain and reduces the chance of AK, plus given how passive you've been in this hand you look a lot like you've got a missed draw and are just a bit of a station.

I think given the missed draws out there, and given the amount of missed hands that are potentially in our range here, the river is an easy call (especially given turn call) although we're obviously not fist pumping.

Would expect to chop here a ton.

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08-04-2010 , 08:28 AM

JSpazz

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call turn, river is a fold imo

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08-04-2010 , 08:35 AM

manefon

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calling flop is bad imo.

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08-04-2010 , 08:47 AM

Souleh

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Originally Posted by JSpazz

call turn, river is a fold imo

I don't understand the river fold after calling a full pot bet on the turn - surely calling the turn with the sole reason of hoping he shuts down on the river is pretty -EV overall?

The K didn't even improve anything that didn't already beat us and generally you'd think villain would go for value with trips or better. His bet sizing looks a lot like he wants us to fold on every street.

Would like to hear some justification on this

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08-04-2010 , 11:52 AM

borderline

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Turn is a fold.

Call me a nit, I don't care. I don't think villains are bluffing there when one of the worst turn cards comes and he bets full pot after we c/c the flop.. What does he think our range is to c/c the flop? Almost every flush draw we can have has a straight draw to go with it (aside from KcQc/KcJc and 5c4c/6c4c). We can easily have a 9 here (depending on game flow, whether we've lead with trips before). And our hand looks like weak A's. I would not think villains are going to lead pot on turn with the intention of us to get us off weak A's if he has air here.

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08-04-2010 , 11:55 AM

#10

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Originally Posted by Souleh

His bet sizing looks like he wants to get value from us.

He can have anything from 9x/88/AA on river and if he's good, he has AK a ton too. I'd ship AQ too on river because I'm don't think that random opponents are going to c/c midpair and then c/c trips on turn with a FD and SD on board.

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08-04-2010 , 11:58 AM

#11

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Originally Posted by Air-Bear

I check-raise the flop.

On the river I'm quite sure you're beat, although villain's repping a thin range. Overbetshoves from people who limp preflop are rarely bluffs I think.

If you're c/r the flop, I'm taking you're not folding to a shove..

I think this is bad for many reasons. esp since the board is A98 and not A34.

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08-04-2010 , 12:00 PM

#12

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Originally Posted by manefon

calling flop is bad imo.

lol no it isn't.

we have TP.

why are we calling pf if we hit a really good flop and we're folding to a cbet.

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08-04-2010 , 12:53 PM

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Punch Dancer

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Originally Posted by borderline

lol no it isn't.

we have TP.

why are we calling pf if we hit a really good flop and we're folding to a cbet.

he's OBV not advocating folding. You're so fk'ing dense

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08-04-2010 , 01:11 PM

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Air-Bear

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Originally Posted by borderline

If you're c/r the flop, I'm taking you're not folding to a shove..

I think this is bad for many reasons. esp since the board is A98 and not A34.

There's value to be gained from 8x, 9x, weaker aces, TJ etc. Getting 3bet isn't all that fun but I get it in without reads.

If you're not check-raising this flop for value with TPGK, then most of your check-raises here will be (semi)bluffs which is quite bad vs a thinking opponent.

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08-04-2010 , 01:28 PM

#15

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Originally Posted by Air-Bear

... no.

There is nothing wrong with c/c here.

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08-04-2010 , 01:39 PM

#16

ohly

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i personally think you have too much behind to c/r profitably for value without any reads.

what do you do when he shoves? what if he 4bets small? also against a flat, there are a ton of cards that could make him a straight/flush and it is not sure that he will pay you off with Ax.

i think this hand is played well and i would fold the river. i used to call there a lot and i saw a draw like never when they overbet shove. i think this is a 9 most of the time.

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08-04-2010 , 01:43 PM

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manefon

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actually i think that if you do decide to call flop, you should seriously consider leading turn. Because most of villains on avarage are not going to bluff (or semibluff) this turn youj're missing much value and allow them to outdraw you for free.

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08-04-2010 , 02:02 PM

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MD_007

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he either has a 9 or a missed draw trying to rep a 9, which randon fish dont do all that much.. i just fold, really

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