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05-16-2014 , 11:21 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Pacific, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $46.29 (92.6 bb)
MP: $51.13 (102.3 bb)
CO: $45.49 (91 bb)
BTN: $48.76 (97.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $73.29 (146.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A Q
MP folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $6.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $4.25

Flop: ($14) 4 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7

Turn: ($28) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($28) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $28, Hero calls $28

On the turn when he checks I thought that my hand was good and wanted to go to showdown but then he pots the river my understanding when players that "aren't regs" pot rivers are doing so as a bluff. his hands 231 VPIP/PFR/AF/3b 72/52/2.7/25.0

Last edited by TheOmz; 05-16-2014 at 11:31 PM.
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05-17-2014 , 11:46 AM
Do you have reads other than hud? He can bet for value here too. Need to be good ˝ the time. Without good reads i fold here. 56bb on river call with A-high vs guy who can bet pretty much anything. We can make money from him easier.
I think flop is too loose. Is this player type folding a lot to cbets, especially IP.
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05-17-2014 , 01:06 PM
I was 3betting relentlessly vs him he was folding to my cbets most of the time.The issue I had was on the turn if he didn't have a draw I think he would bet most of the time and if he did he would check. Now the 2 on the river the only had I'm really concerned about is A5s to call a 3bet IP. I would think if he had over pairs on the flop probably raising those TT,JJ. QQ,KK,AA vs this player he would probably 4 bet those so I took all those hands out of his range. Im left with A5 combos and missed draws assuming this type of player would not bet for thin value on the river.
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05-17-2014 , 04:45 PM
dunno, your call could be good against this player type, but this board is still ****ty vs a polarized range. agree he has all the 78's though and not so many 5's

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fishtankz
Need to be good ˝ the time.
lol, orly?
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05-18-2014 , 04:36 AM
I don't mind how you played it, I think he can have more 5x than A5 though for sure but if he does he can have quite a few bluffs otr. Flop is kinda debatable if he is folding to most cbets imo but I guess it's fine.
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05-18-2014 , 09:12 AM
But why would villain bluf river instead of turn?
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05-18-2014 , 10:15 AM
I think against him the cbet is pretty mandatory.
He has a very wide range and folds a lot to cbets.
Just getting him to fold a six outer is a decent result. I don't expect him to fold a pair but its not required for it to be correct to cbet. While we often have the best hand, it won't be possible to get to river with it OOP unless he is really passive or if we are very brave.
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05-18-2014 , 10:20 AM
Wp
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05-18-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Patje90
But why would villain bluf river instead of turn?
I think the way he views my hand as weak if he has noting he must bet to take the pot. If he had a under pair he would be more inclined to show it down. In my opinion that is.
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05-18-2014 , 04:20 PM
Yes ofc, but why river rather than turn?
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05-18-2014 , 04:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patje90
Yes ofc, but why river rather than turn?
Because if he has a draw on the turn he would most likely check it to see a free river.
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05-18-2014 , 04:47 PM
Yes, but there aren't many draws...
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05-18-2014 , 04:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patje90
Yes, but there aren't many draws...
But why would he check the turn? If he had anything like a pair he would bet it to not see a river.
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05-18-2014 , 05:01 PM
If he has sdv he doesn't need to bet?
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05-18-2014 , 05:09 PM
If vil is playing 75/52 why don't you just wait until u flop a hand or have a big draw when you B. As played I think your bluff catch is too weak.
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05-18-2014 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patje90
If he has sdv he doesn't need to bet?
Then why would he pot the river if he had anything with sdv "small pairs"
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05-18-2014 , 05:16 PM
65, 54, 55 ...
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05-18-2014 , 05:25 PM
Then his range is polarized either he has a 5x or all his bluffs making this a easy call
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05-18-2014 , 05:40 PM
If you say so..
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05-18-2014 , 06:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patje90
65, 54, 55 ...
those are straights
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05-18-2014 , 06:13 PM
-.-
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05-18-2014 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by (.)(.)(.)(.)(.)(.)
those are straights
Yes, your point is?
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05-18-2014 , 06:53 PM
just mentioning some obvious hands that beat us is a bit pointless, he surely has pure bluffs otr, and he surely can turn like 4x into a bluff otr as well, he can also bet 3rd pair on the turn...

you're doing a lot of "why would do villain do this or that" itt. He's 70/50, so it's a bit like asking why a 3yr old would shove a lollipop up his nose.

anyway, I agree river x/c is a little iffy, but it's not terrible.
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05-19-2014 , 02:20 AM
Yeah I guess you are right vs a 70/50
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