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2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river 2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river

11-28-2021 , 08:18 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 45 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 118 BB
UTG: 98.5 BB
MP: 114 BB
CO: 129 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) T 7 6
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (25 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 8 BB, MP raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (65 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero bets 20.5 BB, MP raises to 82 BB and is all-in


Turn raise just doesn't make any sense?
Should we be value donking the river? Should this be a bet/fold or a bet/call? Or just x/c or even x/f?
2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river Quote
11-28-2021 , 08:51 AM
leading river seems bad, just check/call
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11-28-2021 , 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by apricotjello
leading river seems bad, just check/call
I like getting value for my strong hands.
If I check and villain checks behind that's a disaster.
2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river Quote
11-28-2021 , 09:32 AM
Bigger ott and ap probably just jam unless you think he is super polar, but then if he is super polar DB river makes 0 sense.
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11-28-2021 , 09:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Bigger ott and ap probably just jam unless you think he is super polar, but then if he is super polar DB river makes 0 sense.
I'm trying to get worse hands to call, why would I bet this big and only get called by better?
Turn could be slightly bigger I guess, but why?
Shoving river seems bad?
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11-28-2021 , 09:54 AM
What worse hands are going to call the river? KQ and QJ are just going to call the turn a lot of the time (you have all the AA-QQ don't forget). Check-call river seems pretty standard here

As played I would snap fold, there aren't even any flush draws
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11-28-2021 , 10:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by moxterite
What worse hands are going to call the river? KQ and QJ are just going to call the turn a lot of the time (you have all the AA-QQ don't forget). Check-call river seems pretty standard here

As played I would snap fold, there aren't even any flush draws
I dunno, it's impossible for me to put this villain on a range once he's raised turn, it just makes no sense to me.
Since there are plenty of possible hands that are weaker than mine and could call, I like the value bet, could be wrong.

Why would you snap fold?
What hands that make sense have us beat?
2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river Quote
11-28-2021 , 12:39 PM
Our hand feels like a bluff catcher on the turn, villain could have ran into QT, slow played straight, set etc. I’d call turn and definitely check river possibly calling a smaller but but if we arn’t beating any or much of his range then maybe folding river. He could be raising Turn with KQo, or maybe QJs but thats about 10 combos and we lose to a bunch of other hands so I would call turn and check river. As played I don’t think they are raising river with KQ like this all that often so I’d fold

Last edited by Donkeybets; 11-28-2021 at 12:44 PM.
2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river Quote
11-28-2021 , 08:01 PM
Opponent's line is indeed odd, but as a gross generalisation this is becoming more polarised ie you're rarely going to see worse hands than your own raising for value on the turn, in other words hands which will call your river bet. The line feels like a slow-played straight (98), a rather weak flop check-back that binked two pair on the turn (QT) or a hand with nothing on the flop that picked up equity on the turn (KJ, J9). All those hands are plausible preflop, flop and turn. Checking river allows the KJ and J9 to bluff - betting lets them toss their hands easily. Unless you have a specific read that your opponent either (1) spews hard, (2) turns hands with showdown value into bluffs or (3) bets incredibly thin for value then as played this is definitely a fold. In order to call you need to believe that KQ and QJ are raising the turn super-thin and then either turning into a bluff on the river or has some crazy-thin line.
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11-29-2021 , 04:35 AM
I don't think 98 or QT are checking back flop often enough for me to consider them seriously, at least in my player pool.
Not even sure QT is raising my river bet that often.

Spoiler:
The raises made no sense, especially the river raise.
I called and he showed K7cc
2NLz - facing weird raises on turn and river Quote
11-29-2021 , 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yeodan
I don't think 98 or QT are checking back flop often enough for me to consider them seriously, at least in my player pool.
Not even sure QT is raising my river bet that often.

Spoiler:
The raises made no sense, especially the river raise.
I called and he showed K7cc
I play in your player pool, slow playing is the normal and it happens all the time…maybe not this time and thats great but it happens quite often, too many people at 2nl try to play tricky thats one of their leaks that keep them at the lowest stakes. At the end of the day we don’t know who your playing against so we can only give our thoughts on the hand, if the guy showed up with K9cc he’s obv not playing good at all and I’d adjust as soon as I noticed.

At 2nl people are going spaz with two pair on river like this forsure, I’ve seen plenty of people spaz just TPTK , 2nl is circus.
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11-30-2021 , 02:53 PM
I like cbetting this flop with this hand with backdoor potential.

I prefer that line than check/folding on this flop.

The bet on the turn is fine but when you got check/raised on the turn it was dangerous.

Basically he was trapping you from the beginning with a set most likely.

Because I don't see any other combo draws that he could be doing this with on the turn.

KJ would only have called your bet most of the times.

But let's say he is agro and can raise you with a straight draw here.

Well, I just call turn and check/call river if the straight misses.

Donking here is very bad, because if he had a strong hand to begin with he is going to check/raise you and you need to fold river.

And if he truly was bluffing you with KJ on that turn, you need to let him bluff that river and you can bluff catch easily there.
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