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2nl tpgk vs shove on the flop. 2nl tpgk vs shove on the flop.

01-30-2011 , 08:36 PM
Full Tilt - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $2.42
UTG: $1.28
CO: $2.07
BTN: $1.97
Hero (SB): $2.36

Hero posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero has K Q

UTG raises to $0.06, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) 3 T K
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.12, Hero raises to $0.24, UTG raises to $1.22 and is all-in,

ur line here?
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01-30-2011 , 08:38 PM
no reads on villain fold.
i prolly dont call out of small blind here... bein oop with a mediocre hand isnt a winning play
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01-30-2011 , 08:49 PM
what were you hoping villain would do when you raised the flop
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01-30-2011 , 09:20 PM
My line here?

Well, I've got KQo in the blinds and a Villian has opened UTG. Its folded to me. How can I make money with this hand? What's the BB likely to do? Is he tight, loose, a light 3bettor? What do I know about UTG? Is he tight and opens a narrow range? Is he LAGish and opens a wider range UTG? How does he play postflop? Aggressive? Passive? Ultra-aggressive? Is he paying attention to me and capable of Level 1 thought? Will I stack off with top pair against this guy?

Can I take this down preflop with a 3bet? How will he react to a 3bet? Why would I 3bet? For value, to gain the initiative, or to take it down now? What if he 4bets or shoves? What's my plan then?

How am I going to win this hand if I flat his PFR, considering I'm probably going to miss the flop? Can I steal the pot post-flop?

I call and hit top pair. Am I going to donk the flop, check-call his c-bet, or checkraise? If I checkraise and he calls, what's my plan on the turn? I decide to checkraise (more than a minraise) and he ships it. Am I beating his range here? What has he shown down so far?

If I can't answer these questions, I fold.
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01-30-2011 , 09:27 PM
^ sounds like you read my pooh-bah post

i agree with sciaenops
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01-30-2011 , 09:28 PM
I'll look it up and give it a read.

Sounds more like we've read some of the same books.

edit: Just read it. I like that, I think I'll start applying it to my game.

Last edited by Sciaenops; 01-30-2011 at 09:40 PM.
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01-30-2011 , 09:51 PM
yep we've probably read a lot of the same stuff too.

thanks
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01-30-2011 , 10:52 PM
As much as I hate folding hands like KQ to a standard raise, I am beginning to think more and more that calling a raise out of position vs unknown even with a hand like this might be a leak, esp if unknown is utg. At least for me. I probably fold pre here, as played I might donk the flop around .10 - .14 partially for value but also to see where I am at, don't know if that is a preferred play or not but it's what I would do. If called, meh, I probabily bet 1/2 pot on turn because of the semi wet board, check call river, folding to any real major action. If board is dry I am less likely to bet the turn, knowing by betting I might be valuetowning myself vs. unknown utg raiser. All that being said, I probabily fold pre.
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01-31-2011 , 07:27 AM
i think it is possible to play KQ oop profitably 2nl. however we need to understand the strength of our hand.

i dont like min raise on folp. what did u hope to achieve? did u want a call or a fold?

as for calling the shove. you are not ahead almost every time. snap fold.

what did u hope he had? even though you are ahead of a portion of his range f/d's straight draws Kx and K with f/d i feel that he might cold call flop with these type hands rather than shove

check call flop is best play. and try to check down to river.
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01-31-2011 , 11:01 AM
with no info i agree that it's a fold pre. However, if the guy is one of those 78/54 2nl nuts that I see all the time, then I think calling is fine. I would c/c the flop and turn, and probably the river if no club comes.
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01-31-2011 , 12:08 PM
Sciaenops and Keyser112 can u please share us what is that stuff that u read?

thank u.
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