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02-13-2020 , 04:38 AM

Ilimp

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Hello

Winamax - €0.02 NL (5 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

UTG: €2.61 (130.5 bb)
CO: €1.44 (72 bb)
BTN: €2.00 (100 bb)
SB: €3.24 (162 bb)
Hero (BB): €2.03 (101.5 bb)

SB posts €0.01, Hero posts BB €0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.03) Hero has K

UTG raises to €0.08, 3 folds, Hero calls €0.06

Flop: (€0.17, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, UTG bets €0.09, Hero calls €0.09

I wonder if we can raise

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02-13-2020 , 05:25 AM

LordPallidan12

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i would raise pre
OTF the last thing you want to do is take a hand with really good draw/equity and risk getting blown off of it, if you raise and he repops you have to fold a K hi flush draw due to not having odds to call with just a F.D (which really sucks)
definitely best to call.

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02-13-2020 , 06:25 AM

Ilimp

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Ok Thank you

Turn: (€0.35, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, UTG bets €0.18, Hero

continue ?

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02-13-2020 , 06:50 AM

gettohhole

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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12

i would raise pre

Why that?

Is KJo part of a polarized 3-bet range vs MP1 due to it's blockers?

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02-13-2020 , 10:50 AM

gettohhole

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this is some polarized answers ^^ Let the games begin!

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02-13-2020 , 11:12 AM

LiquidVtl

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ok so after checking in the solver it seems like it hates check raising and want to check call all strong hands most of the time and check call every thing with one heart and/or a pair etc.

I now see that it because most of our strongest flushes are not there because we should 3bet hands like AKhh, AQhh, KQhh etc. And our Kxhh, Qxhh, Axhh that we call pre have a low x that is blocked by the board, so for instance we dont K7hh or K5hh etc.

So we dont really have a nut advantage eventhough we have 55, 77 and 22 and UTG doesnt have 55 and 22 most of the time.

So basically a check/call strategy is best approach here.

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02-13-2020 , 02:35 PM

LordPallidan12

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Originally Posted by LiquidVtl

the solver is actually surprisingly passive with a lot of its draws, even more so oop than ip.

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02-13-2020 , 02:37 PM

LordPallidan12

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Originally Posted by gettohhole

Why that?

Is KJo part of a polarized 3-bet range vs MP1 due to it's blockers?

kjo is too loose as a 3b? id prefer to cap their range/iso raise broadway type hands for visibility/low spr

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02-13-2020 , 02:56 PM

gettohhole

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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12

kjo is too loose as a 3b? id prefer to cap their range/iso raise broadway type hands for visibility/low spr

I al almost certain KJo is way too loose vs a 4x HJ open.. If not I will have to reconsider a lot..

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02-13-2020 , 03:05 PM

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LordPallidan12

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Originally Posted by gettohhole

I al almost certain KJo is way too loose vs a 4x HJ open.. If not I will have to reconsider a lot..

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hmmm seems standard to me,

whats your reasoning for NOT 3betting? if you think he only has qq+ you should probably just fold. vs that range, im not sure you even have the equity/play-ability to flat with KJ and put urself in that dominated spot where you're gonna have to fold anyway if u flop TP and get action.

makes more sense imo to 3b/fold where you at least cap his range or know where you stand

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02-13-2020 , 03:21 PM

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gettohhole

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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12

What are Vs combos pre worst than KJo?

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02-13-2020 , 03:34 PM

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kvnd

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I would fold pre

You are fine never checkraising monotone flops as a default strategy it adds little ev and is an infrequent line compared to other flop types

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02-14-2020 , 02:46 AM

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Ilimp

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Thanks for you replies

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Originally Posted by kvnd

I would fold pre

You are fine never checkraising monotone flops as a default strategy it adds little ev and is an infrequent line compared to other flop types

When I flop the flush I often check-raise OOP / raise IP / bet strong IP it's why I thought about doing it with bluff too

But maybe this fastplay strategy is bad ?

What do you do after calling on this example, when 8 of clubs appears

Turn: (€0.35, 2 players) 7 5 2 8
Hero checks, UTG bets €0.18, Hero

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02-14-2020 , 09:35 AM

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Nyuaki

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Originally Posted by Ilimp

Ok Thank you

Turn: (€0.35, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, UTG bets €0.18, Hero

continue ?

I would fold here. I am being asked asked to put in 18 to win a pot of 71 so i need around 25% equity to continue. With your nine outs you have around 18%

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02-14-2020 , 10:45 AM

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Ilimp

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Originally Posted by Nyuaki

I would fold here. I am being asked asked to put in 18 to win a pot of 71 so i need around 25% equity to continue. With your nine outs you have around 18%

Thanks. Yes I folded but wasn't sure

I wonder if it's good to call this flop since we don't have so much outs to improve our hand, and UTG has a strong range

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02-14-2020 , 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kvnd

I would fold pre

You are fine never checkraising monotone flops as a default strategy it adds little ev and is an infrequent line compared to other flop types

This.

As for the turn, just fold. Really pretty looking up there, but dangerous, and the pot is getting bigger. Overcalling this spot with K or Q was a big, expensive leak of mine for a while.

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