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02-02-2009 , 08:13 AM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 26239
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CO: $10.00
BTN: $5.30
Hero (SB): $14.25
BB: $29.55
UTG: $13.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K A
1 fold, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, BB calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.80) 4 3 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($2.80) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.10

how can i play it better, as played what's my turn line?
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02-02-2009 , 08:15 AM
NL2 is autoshove AK pre
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02-02-2009 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by freakBYnature
NL2 is autoshove AK pre
my bad it's 10nl
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02-02-2009 , 08:16 AM
but this isnt NL2... this is NL10... cbet the flop 2 thirds potsize, if called then you might check turn since there are alot of passive players in NL10 who prefer to call it down with the best hand... he prob turned a flush imo, or just saw you check twice and wants to steal it... but i'd go with the first option...
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02-02-2009 , 08:20 AM
2 more questions, would you cbet this flop 100% of the times as ur oop,it's a 3bet pot,ur vs 1 player?
would you consider a delayed cbet on the turn?
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02-02-2009 , 08:21 AM
Fold turn. I think you played the hand fine. I would probably cbet 1/2 pot on flop if I knew the villain is able to fold.
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02-02-2009 , 08:30 AM
i wouldnt 3bet this if you plan on playing it passively on a rather dry board like this.
even if you dont like to cbet this flop oop, then please fire this turn as he checked the flop behind and you have still 2 overs+nfd.
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02-02-2009 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Topis
Fold turn. I think you played the hand fine. I would probably cbet 1/2 pot on flop if I knew the villain is able to fold.
Dont show weakness when missed, half the potsize is a stealing sized bet, if you want to bet low I'd rather go for like one third... half sized here on the flop is yuck dude, I'd raise you faster then you could scream mommy in NL10
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02-02-2009 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by skateb
2 more questions, would you cbet this flop 100% of the times as ur oop,it's a 3bet pot,ur vs 1 player?
would you consider a delayed cbet on the turn?
its NL10 man, people call with trash all the time, I'd cbet the flop, not check it... no delayed cbet on a flushdrawy flop man... only delay cbet on dry boards.
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02-02-2009 , 08:43 AM
and even if its not a flush it might be like bottom set or close to... people are real idiots in NL10, they mostly all call with 33, 44 or 66 pre. 66 ok IMO in NL10, but 44 33 hell no
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02-02-2009 , 08:48 AM
3-bet's fine - you're in the SB so you're pretty happy if he just folds pre. If he calls, the SPR makes it so much easier to play + get it in with TPTK when you hit.

c-betting this flop would be pretty bad in position, and horrific oop. His range makes sexy time with that board, so just give it up. You can't scrap for pots like this oop with board conditions against you. So well played there.

On the turn I'd just check/fold, unless you think there's a lot of AQ/KQs-type hands in his range, in which case you could lead or check/call. This is really, really player dependent though - you need to have a solid idea of what his range is as well as what his bluffing/value betting tendencies would be on the turn and on the river.

Bottom line - oop, just fold it and move on: this isn't where your profit comes from. It can easily be where your losses come from though.
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02-02-2009 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zoolicious
c-betting this flop would be pretty bad in position, and horrific oop. His range makes sexy time with that board, so just give it up. You can't scrap for pots like this oop with board conditions against you. So well played there.
Giving away freecards is more profitable you think?
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02-02-2009 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by freakBYnature
Giving away freecards is more profitable you think?
Open folding's more profitable than firing into the average NL10er on this board oop.
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02-02-2009 , 09:36 AM
Seriously though it depends on the player - some guys could have virtually anything here, some guys only ever have like 99-JJ. It just depends. I'd rather just play this passively and then raise atc next hand on my button.
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02-02-2009 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by zoolicious
Seriously though it depends on the player - some guys could have virtually anything here, some guys only ever have like 99-JJ. It just depends. I'd rather just play this passively and then raise atc next hand on my button.
[ ] expert strategy @ nl10
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02-02-2009 , 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by excapsa
[ ] expert strategy @ nl10
OK so I might have exaggerated my button raising range by 70% or so
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02-03-2009 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by zoolicious
Open folding's more profitable than firing into the average NL10er on this board oop.
Agreed to some extent, but you gotta maintain SOME image even though its NLpuke

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Originally Posted by zoolicious
Seriously though it depends on the player - some guys could have virtually anything here, some guys only ever have like 99-JJ. It just depends. I'd rather just play this passively and then raise atc next hand on my button.
wtf? 99-JJ? this is NL10 man, not NL25, regular caller pre is Ax Kx any two suits, any connectors, from anywhere....

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Originally Posted by excapsa
[ ] expert strategy @ nl10
Yeh, put some donkeystrat into this and it might, MIGHT work...
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02-03-2009 , 06:30 AM
Very well played.

I'd expect overcards to check the flop in fear of the c/r and so you'll at least get to spike something maybe on the turn, if not no big deal. If you bet this flop I think you have to 3 barrel it off (half, half, shove), and that's really crazy at NL10; a lot of the time players there aren't even cognizant of overpairs to the board.
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02-03-2009 , 07:09 AM
I think c/f this flop is fine, when he checks back and we pick up the NFD with two overcards I'd bet like just over halfpot.
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02-03-2009 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by freakBYnature
you gotta maintain SOME image even though its NLpuke

wtf? 99-JJ? this is NL10 man, not NL25, regular caller pre is Ax Kx any two suits, any connectors, from anywhere....
Your two comments contradict each other. If you think people are playing that badly (and I agree, they are for the most part) then you neither need to maintain any kind of image nor invest money oop trying to get them to fold.

I didn't say the average NL10 player will have 99-JJ here, I said it very much depends on the player.
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02-04-2009 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by zoolicious
Your two comments contradict each other. If you think people are playing that badly (and I agree, they are for the most part) then you neither need to maintain any kind of image nor invest money oop trying to get them to fold.

I didn't say the average NL10 player will have 99-JJ here, I said it very much depends on the player.
Yeh, I understand the point. I'd just shove both AKo and AKs pre in NL10, any pockets regularly call, + AQ some even AJo and ATo + perhaps a KQ overcard monkey... easiest shove in the book for NL10 in my opinion.
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