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2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... 2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled...

06-14-2010 , 05:01 AM
Full Tilt Poker $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players

hand 40 out of 54

BTN: $2.79 (Villain) (31/11/27steal/9.5bet) calls a lot of my raises though since I have a loose opening range. So I felt his range was as wide as mine.
SB: $1.28
BB: $0.70
UTG: $1.91
Hero (CO): $1.87 (46/35/18.2bet)

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN (Villain) calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.20) T 5 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BTN (Villain) calls $0.10, SB folds

Turn: ($0.40) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, BTN (Villain) raises to $0.48, Hero folds

Final Pot: $0.72
BTN (Villain) wins $0.68
(Rake: $0.04)

It was me, villian and a random that sat at this table, and eventually the table filled up (6 max). I busted a short stack earlier so that's why the table got reduced to 5 people. It feels like the villain was my main rival at this table as we both clashed for the pot quite a few times (I only remember like 3 folds to my PFR), but his 3-bets (twice he's done it to me on PF and PF) made me fold and with this KK fold that would be fold #3.

After 54 hands with this dude (31/11/27steal/9.5bet) small sample size I know... I really didn't want to fold, but I didn't want to bust either... since I'm under rolled for 2NL (hence my post title, I only had 3 BI) ... so if one were to be rolled correctly with 25BI or more then it would be a snap shove for you gents/ladies correct?

I just wanted a response from everyone for that question above, feel free to insult me if it is a bad fold as I feel I'd learn better this way and any random thoughts from anyone would be appreicated, flame or kind insightful advice :P

Villians WTSD is 22% (18)
Won WSF 56% (18)
and W$SD is 100%(4)

if that helps to factor in your decision. ^^ for agreeing with my tight fold or your theory of being properly rolled (25bi or more) for micro stakes or even any stakes would make it an easy snap call/shove

Why I fold? I felt he was fishing me with a set, or heck AA since I was busted by AA @ 1$/2$ live yesterday for 100bb... but I'll post that story in the live section since it still haunts me please and thank you

Last edited by vap3; 06-14-2010 at 05:24 AM. Reason: thank you 2+2 for the replies, I will play KK with more confidence... folding KK online never, folding KK live sure!
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:06 AM
Jam...

He's calling you with worse...

eg. Any T, some flush draws, A5,A4

It's enough. You're only beat by some stupid 2pair or a set. You beat much more combinations. If you want to play it passive you can c/c turn and c/c river.

However I definitely get it in here.
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:09 AM
bet more on both streets, and ye id prob snap it off
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:11 AM
bet bigger everywhere. u have the nuts here. nothing to be scared of. u have KK (overpair) at 2nl, get the money in fast as possible. if u think he can have AA, why cant he have JJ or QQ? what about Txs? gogogo

shoving the turn is how u build up to 25BI
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:15 AM
Oh I didn't even see bet sizing, yeah bet 80-100% pot on flop/turn, raise to at least 4x pre...
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 08:33 AM
Whats even the point of playing, if you are playing moneyscared at NL2?
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 09:27 AM
What is villain's AF? Imo villain's stats don't seem too aggressive, this is actually a Baluga fold for me.
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 09:31 AM
Level?

Underolled @ 2nl? Wat?
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by absolutefish
Level?

Underolled @ 2nl? Wat?
lol
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 03:29 PM
standard fold
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 04:44 PM
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Oh I didn't even see bet sizing, yeah bet 80-100% pot on flop/turn, raise to at least 4x pre...
yeah I was trying to "milk bet him", there were times when I had nuts and betting 80%-100% just usually scares them away, but his 3-bet on the turn suggests otherwise...

Quote:
Whats even the point of playing, if you are playing moneyscared at NL2?
I was broke until rakebackpros sent me 2.92 so... ya it was my last ounce of cash left lol....

Quote:
What is villain's AF? Imo villain's stats don't seem too aggressive, this is actually a Baluga fold for me.


yea i know it sounds like a joke being underrolled for 2NL but that's my situation right now... at this point of the reply I got 6 bucks... and I'm trying to roll myself towards 5NL haha... that and I got 4 tournament dollars to boot! so 10 in total if that counts :P

thanks for the replies keep em coming ^^
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 04:46 PM
Open jam pre.
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 04:48 PM
OP you can turn T$ into real $ - there are places that do it at like a 97% rate or something like that. Google 'T$ to Real dollars Pokerstars' or something. I had $7.40 in my account two months ago after I cashed out my roll and I got back to 5NL roll so its doable. Just have to be careful.
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:07 PM
ya FTP charges 5% to switch to real dollars... but being the nit that I am if I folded KK hahaha... you get the picture im a sad beast

Last edited by vap3; 06-14-2010 at 05:15 PM. Reason: edit: opening jam pre I felt it wasn't worth it to snatch 3 cents... I don't think they are that stupid to call a jam with Ax
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:11 PM
I dont mind folding turn, but definitely bet more on flop
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 05:19 PM
raise 4x, pot both street and fist pump shove!

maybe the reason he raise is because you were betting like you had 32o...
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote
06-14-2010 , 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumuzi
bet bigger everywhere. u have the nuts here. nothing to be scared of. u have KK (overpair) at 2nl, get the money in fast as possible. if u think he can have AA, why cant he have JJ or QQ? what about Txs? gogogo

shoving the turn is how u build up to 25BI
Overpair at 2NL = Never fold!
2NL am I a nit for folding KK? Villian 3bet 10% 54 hands, I fold cuz of being under rolled... Quote

      
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