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04-15-2011 , 01:55 PM

People_Mover

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BB: $1994.00
Hero (BTN/SB): $3994.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is BTN/SB with A

Hero raises to $40, BB raises to $140, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($280.00) 3

(2 players)
BB bets $180, Hero calls $180

Turn: ($640.00) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $420, Hero calls $420

River: ($1480.00) 9

(2 players)
BB checks

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04-15-2011 , 01:58 PM

Theeasyrider

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I think this is a good spot to bluff here, you might actually be ahead of big A-x's. It looks like he fired to barrels with AQ type hand and then gave up on the turn.

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04-15-2011 , 02:38 PM

Bas_th

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ship ship mcgip

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04-15-2011 , 03:46 PM

Izanagi

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Reads would help, but in general it looks like a great spot to bluff.

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04-15-2011 , 05:23 PM

rmoriar1

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check

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04-15-2011 , 06:44 PM

Kardnel

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I think this is a really cool bluff spot. But you also need to take a step back and ask, "How often does he actually fold an over pair?" I mean it yeah it is a great bluff since it is really hard for you to have a bluff, but against some guys that just doesn't matter.

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04-15-2011 , 07:30 PM

Kylebranham

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Eh, how much was he 3-betting and would he take this line with AA-77?

You're obviously trying to fold out over pairs here but how often does he have those vs. hands like AJ+, KJ+, etc. He has over pairs less than he has 2 over cards because there's less combos of over pairs. Also factor in that he probably calls with his over pairs some % of the time and I think it's a pretty clear check behind.

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04-16-2011 , 01:14 AM

jakedamus

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Originally Posted by Kardnel

I would never fold an over pair here

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04-16-2011 , 05:37 AM

imfromsweden

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Yea, I kinda don't think he's folding an OP here

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04-16-2011 , 09:12 AM

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thin fold

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cheque

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04-16-2011 , 11:51 AM

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lolregs

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The ppl that aren't c/f o/p here as villain, wat is ur thought process?

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04-16-2011 , 05:18 PM

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Kardnel

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I would never fold an over pair here

Yeah I am not saying I would or would not either - really just depends on the guy. The thing is that unless hero just completely floated twice, which is possible, or is turning a made hand into a bluff, then we really just *can't* be bluffing here. I mean 9x sure makes sense and so do clubs. Also something to think about is that if you are planning on check/calling an over pair why wouldn't you just jam yourself?

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04-17-2011 , 02:11 AM

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zemel96

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Check-then cashout after river real fast before you lose all your money to US goverment

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04-17-2011 , 02:52 AM

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Izanagi

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Originally Posted by Kardnel

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04-17-2011 , 03:06 AM

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Lefort

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what do u do on river as villain with 88 or Q5dd?

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04-17-2011 , 09:51 AM

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kaby

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check obv, a bluff is probably profitable but so is a check. we are good at least 1/3rds of the time here imo

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04-17-2011 , 10:29 AM

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Rodolphe

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Originally Posted by kaby

check obv, a bluff is probably profitable but so is a check. we are good at least 1/3rds of the time here imo

probably a level but if it's not ... lol

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04-17-2011 , 12:26 PM

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kaby

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why would it be a level? the more showdown value we have the less incentive to bluff, and we have plenty SD value here...

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04-17-2011 , 02:06 PM

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Rodolphe

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obv check is better than fold, it doesn't mean checking is better than bluffing ????

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04-17-2011 , 05:44 PM

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kaby

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obviously i meant checking is more profitable than bluffing...

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04-17-2011 , 08:13 PM

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Rodolphe

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ok, sorry then, I misunderstood your argumentation

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04-18-2011 , 05:34 AM

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drakx999

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ez check there if your beat hes probably calling river anyway and hes hand look more like AQ-AK that double barrell give up or maybye even with the intention of C/C river with A high but id say definally a +EV river check

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04-18-2011 , 06:22 AM

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Grinder2010

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i will chek here because i think if vilain was bluffing he would barrel this river a good amount of the time or turn a made hands into a bluff

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04-19-2011 , 05:52 PM

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Everything better then your hand is going to call unless you have a passive image and you 90%++ pot bet here (like a really really passive image/low aggression). Anyone who thinks they should bluff here is delusional. Its a really easy check with your crappy SDV which will build credit for your image in your opponents eyes and most likely slightly slow his barreling of overcards in future pots. Like I said, nothing better is folding as most people are not in the business of hero folding in 3 bet pots.

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04-19-2011 , 06:21 PM

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mjbizzle

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without history i shove, with it i check

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