PokerStars Game #24591462693: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/02/04 20:08:36 CET [2009/02/04 14:08:36 ET]
Table 'Lampetia V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: koentje8 ($32.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Cracktor ($27.40 in chips)
Seat 3: DazX ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Liononfire ($11 in chips)
Seat 5: jaksal ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Trogne ($26.35 in chips)
DazX: posts small blind $0.10
Liononfire: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Cracktor [Ah Qc]
jaksal: folds
Trogne: folds
koentje8: raises $0.75 to $1
Cracktor: calls $1
DazX: calls $0.90
Liononfire: folds
*** FLOP *** [9c 6c Qd]
DazX: checks
koentje8: bets $2.30
Cracktor: calls $2.30
DazX: folds
*** TURN *** [9c 6c Qd] [8s]
koentje8: bets $5
Cracktor: calls $5
*** RIVER *** [9c 6c Qd 8s] [Jh]
koentje8: checks
Cracktor:

villian is 19-16-3,4 over 270 hands
(vpip%-pfr%-agg)
Hello everybody, i'm new here, but before i was posting on a dutch forum and i'm playing since one year, still a lot of improvement to go.
Now i'm playing 25NL6max on pokerstars and i would like some feeedback on this hand;
i hit top pair on a drawy flop, should i raise and get called/reraised by better hands and folded by less? same on turn,
and river seems like a nice shove to me, good idea?
So my biggest question is: is this a situation where i should take the risk to walk into a bigger hand by raising or is it best to play for pot control?
regards, Cracktor

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($24.80)
UTG+1 ($26.35)
CO ($32.65)
Hero (BTN) ($27.40)
SB ($9.40)
BB ($11.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: 9 6 Q ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30, SB folds

Turn: 8 ($7.85, 2 players)
CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: J ($17.85, 2 players)
CO checks


Welcome Crack,
Hero plays the hand way to passive i might 3bet pre. I raise flop. You cant just profitably call down here! Dont potcontrol multiway, the board is wet and i see worse hands calling you if you raise. IMO potcontrol is way to overrated!

raise pre flop some times and if you flat call like you did just raise it on the flop;
as played check behind on river; he could check 2pair on river because a 10 makes a straight and goes for a check call on the river; so if you bet only a better hand will call you here;

I think I 3bet pf.... and I think a raise on the flop would be good as well.. As played... I check behind here.

need to be more agressive pre and post flop here imo.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 28581
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $32.65
Hero (BTN): $27.40
SB: $9.40
BB: $11.00
UTG: $24.80
MP: $26.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A Q
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) 9 6 Q (3 players)
SB checks, CO bets $2.30, Hero calls $2.30, SB folds

Turn: ($7.85) 8 (2 players)
CO bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($17.85) J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $17, CO folds

Is this planned to be a bluff or a valuebet, you full pt it against a two barrel. Half pot would be fine to extract value from a worse Q. On this board there arent any weaker hands calling. Might not even a Q calls this bet. So idf he calls you are toast.
So now calculate how often he will call with a better hand and how often he will fold all worse hands to make the bet profitable !?
and post the answer

i bluffed because i putted him on aa/kk, mainly because of his tight openingsrange

def. dont like a full pot on the river...

either check or bet like 6$-8$ imo

You have to tell us that, when you post the hand! But it doesnt make any sense to me to call 2 streets when you put him on a better hand and then turn a hand with decent SD value into a bluff..

yeah well i didn't think it from the flop, but when he checked on the river i knew he didn't make his draw, and then its just one hand left, KQ so thats why i putted him on an overpair and decided to shove.
But thats not so important for me now, because the river is a nasty spot imo so i'm especially wondering if its better to prevent this nasty turn/river decisions by raising the flop?

agreed

If you put villain on AA/KK why did you play the hand this way? Why call the turn then?

Raise the flop and try to get it in. You have Qc so he's not going to freeroll on you, but you don't have the Ac so he can always try to ship it in over your raise with all AXcc. KQ might ship it in or call and try to get it in on the turn putting you on a FD too.

As far as to 3bet pre or not, I think it's terrible vs his stats... you're getting rid of a ton of worse AX/QX hands and getting 4bet by everything better. He probably c-bets near 100% of flops too and you have position... sounds like fun to me.

You misplayed almost every street imo. 3bet pre, and bet/raise the flop. You can re-evaluate on the turn if it gets there.

Yea, as you see call downs always put you in nasty situations. When you dont try to take the initiative you ll often face a guessing game. THats why you have to raise here earlier in the hand
1. to make draws and weaker hands pay
2. to define your and villains hand on this board to make future decisions easier

A 19/16/3 has a way more wider range than AA/KK in the CO here, is a pretty standard 3 bet for me.

I hate getting it in here with TPTK. It's an easy fold if we raise and villain 3-bets shoving this flop All In.

dislike stacking off with TPTK in non 3-bet pots.
Just my 2 cents.

Looks good to me. Against some players I might raise the turn, but w/e. Probably 1/2 pot, maybe $10 on the river.

Don't really get 3-betting pre - you're ip and go from a situation where you have great equity against his range to one where you have poor equity against his (3-bet calling) range. Of course that depends on whether he's calling your 3bet with lots of weaker As, KQ, QJ etc. Flop and turn are perfect, but you overbet the river - you want to tempt him to call here with TT, A9 etc.

i don't like the idiea of 3betting preflop here because i'm sitting against a player who's not gonna call with profitable hands (for me ) so imo its turning a decent hand with showdown value into a bluff.

But a flop raise is a good idea here especially for protection, and then just get it in .

-dislike stacking off with TPTK in non 3-bet pots.
Just my 2 cents. -
me 2, but i also hate to raise/fold with what could be the best hand!

*grunch*
If you want to make a value bet on the turn which hands will call that you have beat?
Or do you want to turn your hand into a bluff for a chance to fold out AA/KK?