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10-12-2013 , 09:52 PM
Villain seems bad. Loves to play hands from the blinds (not really relevant), but no reads other than that. Is this a call, assuming sets raise the flop and he might be bad enough to raise worse for value, or is it a sigh-fold?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.13 (VPIP: 18.67, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 78)
SB: $41.94 (VPIP: 22.94, PFR: 19.27, 3Bet Preflop: 7.20, Hands: 332)
BB: $22.16 (VPIP: 30.43, PFR: 4.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (UTG): $48.84
MP: $6.79 (VPIP: 18.27, PFR: 13.46, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 106)
CO: $29.49 (VPIP: 27.20, PFR: 17.60, 3Bet Preflop: 6.12, Hands: 128)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A K

Hero raises to $0.87, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.87, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.09, 2 players) T 4 9
Hero bets $1.32, BTN calls $1.32

Turn: ($4.73, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $2.98, BTN calls $2.98

River: ($10.69, 2 players) T
Hero bets $8.00, BTN raises to $19.96 and is all-in
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10-12-2013 , 09:57 PM
3 flushes and 7 boats, you got 30%, count your pot odds
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10-12-2013 , 10:10 PM
I call he's a bad player so he poetically had top pair hit trips on the river. Board pairs and he gets a boat its just a cooler I'm calling most of the time.

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10-13-2013 , 01:54 AM
Villain has normal stats to being close to a TAG, i don't see him being that bad, seems exaggerated.

However, he might be putting you on a high PP ? and could have T8 or TJ on the turn.
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10-13-2013 , 05:59 AM
gross spot... I don't think I would fold this. with this price I'd look him up if he overplayed a trips or lower flush...
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10-13-2013 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hasty
Villain has normal stats to being close to a TAG, i don't see him being that bad, seems exaggerated.
I should clarify, I have an auto-note which says 'call 2bet from blinds, range: J4o'.
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10-13-2013 , 06:29 AM
I call, think he raises with 2p/set's before the river a lot of the time.
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10-13-2013 , 06:43 AM
In hindsight, I'd fold.
In game, I'm sigh-calling because I'm awful and that's what I always do when I feel pot committed in "I don't know" situations against unknowns.

I'd expect villain to raise with 2p/sets on the flop.
I'd expect villain to raise lower flushes on the turn.

Since villain has position, I think there's more of a chance that villain could flat 2p/sets on the flop in hope of inducing a turn bet to raise if the turn was blank... compared with villain overplaying flushes/Tx on the river.
I'd expect a river call with lower flushes/Tx more often than not from a 18/10 villain.
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10-13-2013 , 07:20 AM
Snap it off!
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10-13-2013 , 08:32 AM
I'd probably sigh call because of the note you have on him and because I'm a station.

It's extremely close though.
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10-13-2013 , 11:11 AM
with his stats he never has a worst flush or trips..

and your note doesnt tell us anything, he could have called a minraise from SB for what we know, with J4o, which is fine..
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10-13-2013 , 03:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by samcx
I call, think he raises with 2p/set's before the river a lot of the time.
Yeah me too
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10-13-2013 , 03:22 PM
Cool, thanks everyone.

Results:

Spoiler:
Hero calls, villain rolls over 97hh. Hero isn't sure whether to gain or lose respect for villain. Probably gain.
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10-13-2013 , 03:24 PM
This is a clear fold v a nit. No way is he raising trips there after you bet all 4 streets and the river bet was for a handsome size. Worse flush is possible but combinatorically there are few of them compared to the possible boat combos (relevant pocket pairs and T9s and perhaps even T7s or T7o)
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10-13-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lumileijona
and perhaps even T7s or T7o
This guy? Nah
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10-13-2013 , 05:04 PM
Well.. he blocks a lot of boats but still. He may get you to fold Tx only (JJ+wouldnt bet river) so i guess its a bit too thin for villain
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10-13-2013 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TWhelan
This guy? Nah
Op did write that he once called J4o from the blinds.
So I agree not likely but not close to impossible either.
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