Funny thing was i was exactly thinking abiut this HH and thought why would you DB like ever in this spot so i raised planning to jam blanks rivers. The board was even worse for your 3b range there than in OPs hh. Probably wrong part of my range to do this with.
But go on hating on me in every thread. Seems to be a new trend on 2p2

quite a std DB

when you dont know if its a vraise or bluffraise, yeh its probably wrong part of your range

thank you

Would check call the turn if I thought the guy was decent & capable of calling the flop light. Then assess the river

You gotta love the regfish recommending a check call on every flop in every thread. The games are getting easier

As played, call

This is a preflop range construction issue. If KK is the very top of your range then you need to widen it so you can bet these boards aggressively with other parts of your range.

As it stands you have far fewer combos that intersect with this flop and are fairly capped at overpairs. With this in mind you should do far less betting/general aggression/bluffing etc as we have far fewer combos. Checking flop is easily best play if your 3b ranges are so narrow here. Your hand is close to faceup, betting the flop is a big mistake deep here with the above in mind as you also fold out villains bluffs that you can induce by checking the flop.

@ Burns, cheers for the sarcastic response. One guy understood what i meant by look at the preflop action with the guy overcalling twice from position so most likely has a marginal hand that hits this flop/turn very hard.

You're gonna be hard pressed to find regs in micros that have balanced turn raise ranges where you'd want to be calling off KK here.

So cliffs:
If you're 3b range is too narrow here preflop deep dont start barreling these boards.
Check more in spots where you have few value hands and few bluffs.

yeh i pretty much disagree, regardless if you bet or not your range is capped, anyone half decent is just going to start overbetting flops|turns|rivers vs you (and not bet 3/4 pot (i understand your POV if people couldnt overbet) so it doesnt matter all that much (if youre using the argument you're going to fold everything if you start betting when facing a raise so you have to start checking, you're also prob gna fold everything when they start overbetting). at least betting gets 2 streets of value vs parts of his range where you wouldn't when you check.

+ i never said they was going to be balanced lol



the hand is wp OP

might wanna read my earlier post when i said , you're gonna face 2x pot shove rivers vs some of the better regs...

Who's ranges are you referring to, mine or OPs? You have no real idea how I've setup my ranges to possibly infer anything in this spot to be honest but that's your prerogative.

It's not just about being balanced but when you're ranges in some spots are very narrow with few combos or value or bluffs it makes sense to do far less of every action as you simply have fewer combos available.

We both agree turn is a fold but have different ideas about the spot I think.

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Why is it not a good flop for our range

LOL me too
can you be more vague? Just say you have no idea what to do

because we don't have any nut hands now whereas villain does.

I agree with the top of the range stuff.

Thankfully I 3b ridiculously wide even deep IP so KK is the easiest call for me here

Wat lol

+1

IM V surprised by some of the posts ITT

Checking flop is ridiculous

Just because villain has some super nut hands that we don't doesn't make it better for his range.

KK is near top of my range here is what I meant since I have a ton of other random crap I can fold?

Edit: oh wait, all my other crap that I 2-barrel with on this runout is never folding turn never mind I'm tired

I'm just trying to say my range here isn't capped.

@OP fold I think


But wait... If villain knows your range is capped you shouldn't fold, no? Can someone explain this for me lol. If villain knows your range isn't capped, he's strong. If V knows your range is capped he can be fos right?

apart from the turn fold, this thread doesn't warrant that much discussion. you need value hands in your betting range, KK has to be part of that.

also, about the leveling discussions here... don't ever try to make someone fold an overpair, because they rarely do. especially not in a 3bet pot. 200bbs deep don't matter, don't be shocked if most players call down KK, or even shove over the turn raise.

you should fold tho. it's zoom and nl25 where postflop raises are about as common as the bubonic plague.

Its still much more common than Ebola. But look at what's on BBC front page.

Fyp

Anyway the bubonic form is the commonest of plague subtypes.