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03-05-2014 , 02:57 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 106.92 BB
SB: 77.96 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 107.92 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
UTG: 104.96 BB (VPIP: 21.76, PFR: 18.45, 3Bet Preflop: 10.28, Hands: 773)
MP: 59.32 BB (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
CO: 52.32 BB (VPIP: 21.18, PFR: 14.12, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 86)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, BB calls 1.4 BB

Flop: (5.2 BB, 2 players) Q

BB checks, Hero bets 3.36 BB, BB calls 3.36 BB

Turn: (11.92 BB, 2 players) 7

BB checks, Hero bets 7.72 BB, BB calls 7.72 BB

River: (27.36 BB, 2 players) Q

BB bets 26 BB,

Sigh call I suppose?

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03-05-2014 , 03:22 PM

Yoshimiii

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Folding. Always full house. I imagine he XR flop with KJ too.

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03-05-2014 , 03:24 PM

MartimC

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you're size is a little way off tho
should bet bigger on this board textures
folding is fine

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03-05-2014 , 03:24 PM

lumileijona

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Why do you cbet 60% pot on that super wet flop?

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03-05-2014 , 03:49 PM

Bladesman87

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Meh spot because I expect people to fast play sets and 3-bet some of them pre, meaning he has to have QT, Q9, exactly and never do ******ed things with Qx expecting you to check back river with Tx.

I usually call when I have only 26 hands on someone and they don't need to be an idiot all that often.

Folding is totally legit though.

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03-05-2014 , 03:51 PM

gamma001

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calling. I always say riv donks are the nuts but he should be raising sets and possibly 2p OTF a lot and he can be doing it with Qx some %.

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03-05-2014 , 05:11 PM

Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by gamma001

calling. I always say riv donks are the nuts but he should be raising sets and possibly 2p OTF a lot and he can be doing it with Qx some %.

It's possible he doesn't want to stack off vs a straight OTF. I don't expect Qx to pot like this. However Full houses do all the time.

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03-05-2014 , 05:30 PM

gamma001

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Originally Posted by Yoshimiii

It's possible he doesn't want to stack off vs a straight OTF. I don't expect Qx to pot like this. However Full houses do all the time.

yeah on second thoughts I agree considering he is 15/11.

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03-05-2014 , 05:32 PM

TheDefiniteArticle

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^^26 hands.

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03-05-2014 , 05:33 PM

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Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by gamma001

yeah on second thoughts I agree considering he is 15/11.

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03-05-2014 , 10:47 PM

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Sadyuro

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This is my first post so bear with me...

A call here is totally fine. I would expect to see AQ, KQ, QJ, and maybe AJ or J9s (unlikely) here often enough to warrant a call.

Even though it is 26 hands, I don't expect a 15/11 to call Q9 from the blinds, so I really could only see QT as most likely.

It's possible I'm thinking about this backwards, but because the board is wet, I would expect to see more aggression (donk or x/r) on the flop or turn with two pairs and sets, which once again limits QT, Q9 considerably imo.

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03-06-2014 , 02:37 PM

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Yoshimiii

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^ AJ never does this. J9s is possible but he may fold pre.

More than this though I don't think Qx bets this big on the river. Why would they when there is only 1 Q left and 2 straights possible. It's doesn't make any sense from vill. POV.

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03-06-2014 , 02:53 PM

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Bladesman87

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I wouldn't expect him to have bluffs often, if ever. Mostly it's about whether his Qx is wider than boats, and whether we can justify folding a hand this strong based on 26 hands of micros.

His betsizing probably doesn't tell us anything. I'd figure he just clicks buttons because he has Qx and expects us to check back a T.

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03-06-2014 , 03:10 PM

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Yoshimiii

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

His betsizing probably doesn't tell us anything. I'd figure he just clicks buttons because he has Qx and expects us to check back a T.

Of course bet sizing is a tell. Ignoring it is just stupid.

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03-06-2014 , 03:31 PM

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MeroTheBraavose

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Call just to be on a safe side. If he had QT, 99, TT he would donk or x/r the flop. He will donk like this with AQ, KQ, QJ or turning his JT KT etc in to a bluff.

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03-07-2014 , 03:17 AM

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Swedishmonkey

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I would fold here!!!

Not all villains just raise their 2pairhands on the flop here! Specially not the tighter ones! Sure small handsample but this guy falls in to that category right now! They might be afraid that they only get action against better! This flop smashes the callers range!!! I can buy that some might do this with aq, kq! But not all! And I think he has more houses in hus range!

Sighfold

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03-07-2014 , 03:24 AM

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Swedishmonkey

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Also worst bluffcard for him! If he doesn't have a q, he is way more likely to assume you have one! So I certainly don't buy that he would turn a 10 or whatever into a bluff...

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