This hand I think is a train-wreck?

No hud.
Villian was 4 tabling zoom. We can assume he is a half-decent reg.


[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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BTN: $25.18 (100.7 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.10 (100.4 bb)
BB: $48.21 (192.8 bb)
UTG+1: $82.67 (330.7 bb)
UTG+2: $20.91 (83.6 bb)
MP1: $25 (100 bb)
MP2: $28.96 (115.8 bb)
MP3: $20.20 (80.8 bb)
CO: $45.68 (182.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q J
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.50, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.40, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) 4 T 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $0.75, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG+2 calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, UTG+2 raises to $6.50, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($19.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets $8, Hero folds


PREFLOP: Getting great price to see multiway pot with suited connector.
However, I'm oop for the hand. I think this call is okay.

Flop: This is a great flop for us.
Villian C-bets under half pot.
We could call and try to hit or raise and try to get a fold.
I think raising here is the best option as we pick up a ton of dead money from people who just auto c-bet, and It's kinda hard to hit this board.

When villian flats the raise I realize that I had no plan other than: He folds, I win the monies.

Turn: 9 is another great card for us.
I bet? (I don't know what is best here...)
When I am raised, it looks pretty strong and I am getting about 5:1 for my draw so I think I have immediate odds to call. Thoughts?

Then I check fold river because I am terrible.

Should we just be shipping turn in his face?

Looks good to me.

Seems ok. I wouldn't call villain a half-decent reg, though, he's not in full and his sizing is just lolworthy. Based on that it's probably a bit dodgy to try to semi-bluff fish because he's not going to fold if he has any piece of this, I'd just c/c flop and c/c turn.

c/c flop is pretty bad in my opinion.

There is so many of his hands that have no piece of this board whatsoever and are just c-betting because people c-bet way too much

we can't just check/call down all streets given that we have a ton of fold equity.

Calling instead of raising with my entire continuing range otf.

Board is not connected at all, just fds out there so i dont know how much fe u have. and given u have fd its very hard for villain to have one too so you rly have crappy blockers to nothing.

If you think villain is cbettibg too much then why not raise turn when he puts in more money in bad.

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I think you played this hand perfectly. This is exactly the way I would have played it. I probably would have bet bigger on the turn more like 3/4 pot, but it isn't that much of a difference. Either way your hand looks really strong and it has a lot of outs. Any opponent facing your line would be struggling to play correctly with a vulnerable hand. Playing this kind of hand aggressively is usually the right way to play it.

On the flop you have decent fold equity against an opponent just taking a stab at the pot.

On the turn you picked up a perfect card to continue bluffing. You have about 15 outs and possibly more with Queens and Jacks if your opponent is hero calling you. You do have fold equity in this spot too. Imagine if your opponent was holding something like JT. Wow, it doesn't look too pretty for him. You could be bluffing, but you could also have two pair maybe a set. Maybe AT, KT, QT. Barreling here is usually good as a standard. After he re-raises, you should now be aware that he probably has a very strong hand and is not going to fold the river. You probably don't have much fold equity. He may or may not fold to another on the river. If a K or 8 comes up you will almost certainly get paid off. If a 9 or 2 comes up you could potentially lose all your money to a fullhouse, but I think the upsides to calling his re-raise is better than folding.

On the river you usually don't have any fold equity based on the line your opponent has taken on the turn. Without reads this a spot to check/fold.

I like raising flop. We're OOP so it's tough to get value when we c/c and hit. Our draw isn't strong enough to worry about getting shoved on (it'd be an easy fold), but as well as our flush outs, we can carry on betting any K or 9, as well as having an option on hitting a Q or J.

Turn is ok, but your bet is too small. Can't do anything other than call when he minraises us as we prob only have around 30% equity and he's hardly ever folding. And btw when he minraises the turn you can cancel out your thinking that he is a "half-decent reg".

I don't understand. Wtf else do you want to do here? Anything other than c/f would be ultimate spew.

Pre-flop call is fine.

Flop c/r is ok, though I might have sized it a touch smaller, since this isn't a strong hand. When he calls the c/r, stop and pay attention. Given what little you know of him, it's very likely he's on a real hand.

Turn card gives you six more outs, so you can block/call, 2nd barrel/c, or c/c. I don't understand your bet size. It is too small for a semi-bluff and too big to be a blocker. He isn't going anywhere if we bet, so I'd probably c/c here, and only call if he gave us odds (he might because you've got so many outs). As played, only reason to call his re-raise is because he gave you pot odds.

OTR, there is a half-decent chance he's on a boat, but even if he only has a two pair or 44 with A kicker you're beat. Fold was the only choice.

I'm really not sure what to put villain on here. Maybe 88-JJ, AKs, esp , ATs. Does a half-decent reg open 44, 22, T9s, 98s or 87s from UTG+2? His bet sizing makes me think he's either got trips OTF, or just a draw. It would be ironic if he's just doing the same thing as you - bluffing with a good draw, but has the power of position. Even then, he's probably got you beat.