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saw flop

Hero (Button) ($25.75)
SB ($27.38)
BB ($24.02)
UTG ($62.89)
MP ($28.33)
CO ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
3 folds, Hero bets $0.62, 1 fold, BB raises to $2.25, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $2.75

Flop: ($10.10) 10, A, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($10.10) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $6.25, Hero calls $6.25

River: ($22.60) K (2 players)
BB bets $12.77 (All-In) HEROO?

first hand played with villain


i checked flop cause basically dont know how much hands i get value from & even though my equity otf is good i just felt its 2 more bets to get $ in + felt hard to bet/call n feel gr8 or bet n shove turn n expect to getl ooked up often so wanted to give villain opportunity to bluff

anyways appreciate the river decision advise

bet flop, you will lol at the hands ppl call 4bets with...

as played i fold river

b/c flop

We're crushing his range and worse will call the flop imo, so bet/call flop shove turn. Even if we get him putting money in with AK, it's still a good thing with the club freeroll.


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Board: Tc Ac Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.217% 60.35% 08.86% 14340 2106.00 { AdKc }
Hand 1: 30.783% 21.92% 08.86% 5208 2106.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }

Honestly don't know what's worse, checking flop or flatting turn... Flatting turn probably is. This hand is a crime against poker.

Got to bet that flop, any Queen, King, or club is probably going to stop your action. Thats about 15 cards that either stop us getting value or kill our hand. Theres still a few hands that he calls a flop bet with that we crush, say QQ with the club draw for example.

River should be a fold I reckon.

Just bet the flop we can lose value on a lot of turns and our hand is pretty huge really

checking flop isnt as big of a deal as half of these micro dudes are trying to make it look like, you can relax exo
meh i suppose betting still is a better option but w/e
river kind of sucks, he's probably vbeting straights of which he got QcQx AxQc - id say these 2 holdings are one of the most likely given preflop (not the suits ofc). Calling wont affect your winrate dramatically anyway

So your still saying not betting is actually the biggest mistake in the hand though?

Because its the micros and we all suck dosnt that make it more of a reason to bet?

Cool m8 ur so good at poker - micro dudes must bow down to you and your wisdom. Awkward.

you got me wrong, relax ffs :|
im just saying it's not such a big deal like some are trying to make out of it, simple as that. You know like there's closes decisions and then there's not even close ones. So much equity like who even cares?

Yeah my bad just stuff like that tilts me alot.

Also I don't think its one of those decisions where its 49/51, don't think it's that close.

Haha, chill man. Like MartL said, betting flop is fine, when we consider our equity vs hands that are ahead of us now, and also action killers OTT such as a club.

Yeah, you are an expert at checking flops when you're supposed to bet, we already know that. You're also an expert at disregarding a forum of crushers' advice. So now you come here so you can crap and look down on micro players (which I am not, btw).
Btw, micro guys: This tobenofunas character can barely beat 25nl.

That is some borderline genius advice/logic we got here. You're basically saying you can play as bad as you want in this pot, it won't affect your winrate that badly because it's just one pot. lmfao

So whos gimmick are you then?

I think most micro player are used to tobes post as he has been a frequent poster in this forum and his posts are usually quite interesting to read unlike some other SSNL players who occasionally post on here.

I cant claim to know what levels tobe can beat but It also looks like the banning of PTR has seen a lot of SSNL have a massive increase in their WR`s, strange that.

First of all, it´s really hard to misinterpret that statement, and for someone who posts 40 hands a month you can really come across as a patronizing prick.

Furthermore your second point is just so pointless, I don´t even know where to begin. Hero has a decision to make on the flop, and you agree betting is the best one, whether close or not the best option should be pointed out, and that´s exactly what ´´these micro dudes´´ were doing.

This.



Edit: Happy new year btw

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i think checking is the best option and it's not really close.

most everyone's argument is that the Villain has a weaker hand, so we should bet the flop. NDJ77 posted a poker stove that showed that we had 70% equity agaist TT+, AQ+... he judiciously left out QK (the nuts) and AJ... but whatever. Even against that range, do you really ever think the Villain is calling a bet with QQ or KK... come on, QQ and KK are hardly different then 22 or 33 there. Our 4-bet range crushes that flop.

However, if we did 4-bet a hand like QQ or KK, what would we do on a flop like that. Would we turn it into a bluff and bet two streets (maybe if we were sick good), but the fact of the matter is that it wouldn't be unreasonable (and a good player might) check those hands behind. So if we want to show some weakness and NOT be betting 100% of our range on the flop, this hand seems like the PERFECT hand to be checking behind to call a turn bet. When we face a turn bet from the Villain, it's going to suck when we have KK or QQ but this hand will be easy to play. We're not scared of hardly any turn cards and it's hard to get value from worse.

Now MARTL argues that any club Q or K is going to kill our action. That doesn't make much sense either. First of all, the type of hands we get action from our better hands. For example, I don't think anything but a set or better plays back at us. And it actually sucks balls, when we bet the flop and check-raised because we're probably pretty close to having to call while drawing to a 0EV hand.

Meh... I'm drunk. But I dont see alot of reasons for betting the flop. I think it's one of those micro stakes bet the flop knee jerk cause i bet every flop response.

Again though you seem to forget that all us micro players suck and that probably makes it more of a bet because part of that sucking is that we call too much with dominated hands.

I cant even begin to imagine how often QQ calls this flop, let alone QQ with the club draw. Obviously AQ/AK are very likely in his range as well and neither of them are going anywhere and to be honest are we really worried about getting check/raised on this flop? Its not like we arnt happy putting the money in with TPTK in a 4bet pot is it?

Like twice yesterday I got bluff raised on the turn in a 3bet pot only for the villains to both fold after putting nearly 3/4 of their stacks in. Like I say we all suck.

You're refering to a hand I posted in SSFR, if that's correct:
1. You're stating that I'm disregarding everyones advices, well the "advices" came in form of telling what to do without a single line of explanation so to reply at such "advices" with somewhat ok-eish constructed posts about my original thoughts/dynamics of deep play etc. isnt actually disagreeing?
2. Yeah, there were several better constructed posts by good players but just because I tried defending my position with clear arguments (which btw just a fun fact - every single guy in SSFR completely ignored in that thread (my guess is because of 2 reasons - 1. player is a FR reg and doesnt give a **** about such stuff or 2. he didnt give more than 2seconds to go through the hand and make a post, but sure i can be wrong here, that's just an assumption) doesnt make me a bad person in any way. It wasn't like I was calling them out, cursing or anything - it's called a ****ing discussion, and if you can't handle it without getting personal - 2p2 isnt probably the place for you.
3. About your 2nd half of the post, well you just misinterpreted or simply misunderstood what i was saying, so that doesnt affect me in any way.
4. If you're oh so awesome as opposed to me, why dont you start lurking less (taking information for free while giving nothing back) and actually start helping weaker players just as a nice gesture?
5. Sure there are other better posters who would help micro forum a lot more than me, but considering i'm giving everything for free (and i am a proven winner at everything up to 200nl, including it, over decent sample sizes) it doesnt really make me a douchebag or anything.
6. I've been here way longer than you, in fact you havent been here at all, and now out of the blue you come and call me out, get personal for nothing?
What am I missing?


If all you want is a magic formula then you're going to love SSFR - you post a hand, get an answer but never get a single line of explanation (or you get from a guy who is just as bad as you are, just as clueless as you are, moving up to same limits just as you are trying to, those advices aren't really worth much as you can figure that much yourself).
But here's the problem - without the explanation, you can get all the answers you want, and you'll still be stuck at micro limits. Im sure I dont need to expand on this because it's so ****ing obvious.

1st bolded part sort of contradicts to the 2nd one if we apply it to this hand.
Besides if he's got QQ he may as well call 2 streets of turn and river as opposed to flop and turn or bet n shove himself so we're not losing as much value as you may initially think.

His posts are mostly an unnecessarily wordy, jumbled mess of cursewords and thoughts about poker, of which some are admittedly very good, as far as I can judge. Most of all, they're just super annoying to read because of his attitude though. (So I guess we are in agreement on your point that they are "interesting".)
Regarding your other two points, I really don't know what you are talking about.

ITT I hand out free advice: Don't listen to this guy.

1. With the "checking flop"-comment I was referring to the thread you are mentioning. With the "disregarding advice"-comment I was basically talking about 90% of your posts.
2. I'm not saying you're a bad person, I'm saying you come off as a douche. Funny you refer to cursing when you can't make a post that has no asterisks in it.
3. Make sense next time then.
4. I never said I was awesome, neither did I imply it. And I made this account to do just that (giving a little bit of advice back).
5. I guess we can agree here.
6. Nothing, just that I have been reading this forum for quite a while. It's nothing personal, just observations. I don't think my post was unreasonable or below the belt, most definitely, at least, not more than yours.

1. Personal opinion based on a small sample is "getting personal" what i called in my previous post;
2. English isnt my first language, it should be obvious to most in here, so when I say I'm not cursing towards you - I'm not lying, that doesn't mean that I'm not using curses or w/e the word is in my posts tho
3. -
4. I dont know what your intentions were, nor do I care, but you did imply, at least have some respect for others and admit it. For the 2nd part, well I'm not seeing it so far, all I"ve seen from you is 1. post offending me and 2. posts in yearly or monthly results thread
5. -
6. W/e

I like flop check.

Wondering about raising/stacking turn, do we get enough value from QQ/AK/AQ/QcX?

River is a fold, I guess, I probably kick something as I do it (IF I can do it, that is). This one of those hands where we play slower to allow villain opportunity to bluff, not fearing many cards, but sometimes one of those cards does come and we have to live with the results.

1. Sample is not small.
2. What I was saying is that this aggressive demeanor is affecting the tone of your posts, resulting in you coming off as a douche. (To me, at least, I'm sure others disagree.)
4. lol. I can only repeat: I did not imply I was great or whatever. Acknowleding your own shortcomings is part of getting better and that is something that I want to do. That type of mindset is just not part of my personality. Obviously I do know I am not the worst at this point, because I beat the games I play in decently.
Again, mild irony you of all people are talking about respect with your history and all the while putting words in my mouth.
Note that my post came in response to a post of yours that was partly directed towards me, so it's not like I'm typing this for no reason.

I also hand out free advice, but I use logical arguments vs ad hominem attacks.