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25NL zoom, 4bet pot river jam? 25NL zoom, 4bet pot river jam?

05-12-2014 , 06:33 PM
Hero (BTN): 152.64 BB
SB: 35.96 BB
BB: 493.84 BB
UTG: 39.36 BB
MP: 123.28 BB
CO: 673.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BB raises to 6.4 BB, Hero raises to 19 BB, BB calls 12.6 BB

Flop: (38.4 BB, 2 players) 4 9 T
BB checks, Hero bets 16 BB, BB calls 16 BB

Turn: (70.4 BB, 2 players) 9
BB checks, Hero bets 30 BB, BB calls 30 BB

River: (130.4 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero? (88bb)

Vs unknown is it fine to jam here or should we x/b?
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05-12-2014 , 06:41 PM
villians 4bet calling range is majority pp (deep stacks) and big suited aces and suited connectors. kings and aces 5bet pre i would assume as well. The only pp that pays us is jacks, the rest beat us and the rest fold. he could have a10, ak, aq sometimes if floating but we dont know, so i think this is too thin to bet
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05-12-2014 , 07:00 PM
Check
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05-12-2014 , 07:07 PM
I'd 4bet smaller even 150bb deep but meh.
Shove now.
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05-12-2014 , 07:09 PM
I would bet bigger on both flop and turn, therefore river would be an unquestionable shove.
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05-12-2014 , 07:12 PM
Flop and turn sizing is fine in 4bet pot and helps us stay somewhat balanced otr cause our river shove still has fold equity.
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05-12-2014 , 08:05 PM
Sizing pre is a little big 150 deep. Shove now, people are going to make too many bad calls and some nit KK pre.
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05-12-2014 , 08:33 PM
Shove
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05-13-2014 , 02:59 AM
What sizing is better pre?
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05-13-2014 , 03:06 AM
think i'd make it around 15bb pre

easy ship now
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05-13-2014 , 09:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltshove1
Flop and turn sizing is fine in 4bet pot and helps us stay somewhat balanced otr cause our river shove still has fold equity.
Only bad players flat 4bets OOP , therefore you don`t need to balance anything vs. him (if you need at all), so i`d bet bigger, expecting him to have and continue w a really wide range.
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05-13-2014 , 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qu1ck
Only bad players flat 4bets OOP,
no
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05-13-2014 , 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qu1ck
Only bad players flat 4bets OOP.
How are you playing let's say TT from BB in this exact spot?
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05-13-2014 , 11:47 PM
J J J J jambo

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05-14-2014 , 12:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Qu1ck
Only bad players flat 4bets OOP
This might of been true back in 2009 when everybody 4bet to like 27bbs, but it's definitely not true in today's games where 4 bets of 15-18bbs are the norm.
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05-14-2014 , 12:31 AM
Even today 15bb is an incredibly small 4bet tbh. I expect a normal 4bet to be around 21-23bb unless we're talking about a BTN open, in which case it tends to vary from around 18-20bb.
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05-14-2014 , 02:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltshove1
How are you playing let's say TT from BB in this exact spot?
There's no need to 3B TT especially not when you're deeper
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05-14-2014 , 02:41 AM
Thin to win.

I would jam because I barrel pretty wide but if you don't barrel much then check back is probably ok.
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05-14-2014 , 06:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tiltshove1
How are you playing let's say TT from BB in this exact spot?
In this spot i would def fold to his 4bet, but i wouldn`t 3b such a good hand in the first place.
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05-14-2014 , 08:11 AM
I would 3bet TT in villain's shoes.

Thanks for the responses, I did jam river.
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