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10-01-2009 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
1. You must have solid reads to NOT raise PF.

2. To convince yourself that villain ONLY has one hand is........ terribad. Lose this part of your thinking. You WILL NOT progress until you start using ranges.

3. Not getting it in on the river...... it really is a reason why good players make money. We can count on players like you to maximize losses with air while also minimizing wins with the nuts. From all of us..... thank you.

4. Play with a calculator handy....and use it. You'll thank me later.
1. I raise there 90% of the time. But I don't like to do the same thing with the same hand 100% of the time.

2. This was truly horrible.

3. I am a winning player (over last 50,000 hands anyway) and have built a solid roll from scratch playing microstakes. Not sure if the sharks at NL25 are really so grateful for my presence.

4. All my calculators are covered in semen.

Last edited by awkwardepiphany; 10-01-2009 at 04:14 PM.
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10-01-2009 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by awkwardepiphany
1. I raise there 90% of the time. But I don't like to do the same thing with the same hand 100% of the time.
Being a good winning players is not playing the same hand two different ways, but playing two different hands the same way.
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10-01-2009 , 04:24 PM
My 2 cents is that you shouldn't worry about playing the same hand the same way. You should worry about playing the hand the correct way against that individual. If you are varying the way you play your hands based on your cards, and not on the villan and situation, then you will not grow. Oh and masturbating while playing is bad. Puts the blood in the wrong head.
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10-01-2009 , 05:14 PM
never, AND THE ROCK MEANS NEVER, just flat the river with the stone cold nuts to save rake. You are losing SOOOOO sooo SOSOSOSOSO ssssoooo much value. SHIPPPPPPPPPPPP ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT.. I would actually encourage typing that in the chat

i think your outplaying yourself by say " i dont like to do the same thing with the same hand 100% of the time"... you should be value betting that board on the river with a ton of hands so its not always AK then, it could be top set, top 2, etc any hand that you think villian is calling with worse

since you asked, ****** level :

villian = hero
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10-01-2009 , 06:28 PM
One more thing . . .

Solid players don't ante 1BB for 2 streets with a set. Just sayin' . . .
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10-01-2009 , 06:56 PM
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10-01-2009 , 07:12 PM
[x] ******s itt
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10-01-2009 , 07:28 PM
[x] nit ITT
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10-01-2009 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by McAvoy
[x] ******s itt
If you can't beat them, join them
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10-01-2009 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
2. To convince yourself that villain ONLY has one hand is........ terribad. Lose this part of your thinking. You WILL NOT progress until you start using ranges.
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Originally Posted by awkwardepiphany

2. This was truly horrible.
Just for clarification, is my advice terrible? or your putting villain on only one hand?
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10-01-2009 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Just for clarification, is my advice terrible? or your putting villain on only one hand?
I have a feeling we may be in for an epic "King will now own the thread"
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10-01-2009 , 07:54 PM
Nah, I'm guessing I misread the tense in his reply and he is agreeing with me.....therefore letting all the wind outta my billowing...... sails.
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10-01-2009 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by awkwardepiphany
1. I raise there 90% of the time. But I don't like to do the same thing with the same hand 100% of the time.
But.... I will get into this one a little.

OP, the variation of plays for AK should probably be more villain dependent then random "Imma gunna play this differently this time".

Here we are presented a perfect squeeze situation on a silver platter. It would take a monumental read to not squeeze this. Just the same way a read is ultra important in the same situation holding 97s.... I better have a monumental read on both before pulling the trigger.

Also when you want to balance your AK plays....lean toward 90/10 aggression/wimpytoad against the same opp. If he's no good,,,, 100/0. If he's really good, 10-15% wimpytoad might be OK.....but I think you have other determining factors.

Such as in this hand. Even if this is a great read that villain will push a ton of range and you may not want to call....... I still want to push the envelop OOP, and hopefully get it folded out. There is more of course, but this will due for now.

Last edited by King Spew; 10-01-2009 at 08:07 PM.
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10-01-2009 , 08:06 PM
OP, I think it is close, but would only worry about improving my game, while exploiting others.


What I find more ******ed is the rake.......

Final Pot: $496024.00
kingsofcards shows 8 5 (a pair of Jacks)
Patrik Antonius shows T K (a pair of Jacks)
Patrik Antonius wins $496023.00
(Rake: $1.00)

Total pot: $31.65 | Rake: $1.58
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10-01-2009 , 10:35 PM
This is the kind of hand where if I am sitting at the table, I have to type LOL in the chatbox when the hands are revealed. Oh, and the answer is that you are both equally ******ed.
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10-01-2009 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by awkwardepiphany
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($40.45)
MP1 ($41.38)
MP2 ($32.87)
CO ($25)
Button ($50)
SB ($22.95)
Hero (BB) ($23.90)
UTG ($36.11)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
1 fold, UTG+1 bets $0.85, MP1 calls $0.85, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($2.65) 5, 6, 10 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.15) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

River: ($3.65) J (2 players)
Hero bets $3, MP1 raises to $6, Hero raises to $10, MP1 raises to $14, Hero calls $4

Total pot: $31.65 | Rake: $1.58

Villain had a set of sixes.

After his last raise, I convinced myself that he HAD to have AK as well, so I just called to save some rake. So does that make me more ******ed than him?
Without reading any replys I would put you on the ****** more than villain. It looks like you have no plan what so ever and call down then hit and ???????????????.. 3bet pre or fold with a read.
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10-02-2009 , 04:40 AM
So the consensus is that I am at least as equally ******ed as villain. Perhaps more ******ed than villain.

But in truth, I was more ******ed than villain, for I have learned a few things from this thread. Thanks all. Particularly King Spew for your input.
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10-02-2009 , 10:47 AM


...and go buy a new calculator.
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10-02-2009 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
Nah, I'm guessing I misread the tense in his reply and he is agreeing with me.....therefore letting all the wind outta my billowing...... penis.
FYP
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10-02-2009 , 01:09 PM
always ship with the nuts when yuo feel strength.
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10-02-2009 , 03:28 PM
You are the ******ed one (Sorry, not trying to be harsh)

Dont do this ever again with the nuts, unless the board is the nuts. There is only so much rake that you can save
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10-02-2009 , 04:28 PM
I'm sorry, but this is terrible. You cost yourself $6-7 in equity to save $1 in rake. The villain folds 1% of the time here with the given action, and if this occurs, your shove won't effect pot size and you will pay the same rake anyway.
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10-02-2009 , 04:49 PM
Not sure why I am posting in this, but why do people keep saying that you are saving $0.70-$1 in rake? You are only saving rake on what you haven't put in, which is the $8.35 (I think, quick mental math) you have after villian's last river bet. I think that is only $0.40 in rake. Worrying about rake just means that villian has to have a hand other than the other nuts 1/20 times to breakeven. Just calling river with absolute nuts is inexcusable - it makes you the more skillfully challenged player.

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Originally Posted by Michigan13
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 161792
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $4.65
MP1: $25.00
MP2: $34.95
CO: $34.80
BTN: $4.65
SB: $38.00
Hero (BB): $40.60
UTG: $15.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 5 A
6 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50) 8 T K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.50) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.50) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $40.35 all in, SB calls $35.75 all in

Final Pot: $76.00
SB mucks 9 T
Hero shows 5 A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero wins $73.00
(Rake: $3.00)


Love shoving 140bb on river into 10bb pot with absolutely obvious A high nut straight and getting paid off
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10-03-2009 , 03:35 PM
Fair play OP i'd just flat call here too. that rake is gonna make all the difference to your winrate....

just think......

flat with the nuts when you think its a split another million times and you'll have saved a small fortune....
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