25NL Whats the play here?
11-06-2008
, 04:50 PM
The villain has been playing more aggressive than most but not donkeyish so whats the play here im not sure if i wanted to bet fold turn or check call turn to get value from hands i beat.
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Journeyman54 (UTG+1): $25.00
Gerrard37 (UTG+2): $50.00
t3ddypok3r (MP1): $114.15
MarloBStanfield (MP2): $21.00
Spindlemonkey (CO): $31.90
stickit1976 (BTN): $57.05
Hero (SB): $40.90
seumpapeu (BB): $26.20
10GrapeDrink10 (UTG): $68.85
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A
A
5 folds, Spindlemonkey raises to $0.85, stickit1976 calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.65, 2 folds, stickit1976 calls $2.80
Flop: ($8.40) T
6 7
(2 players)
Hero bets $8.40, stickit1976 calls $8.40
Turn: ($25.20) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, stickit1976 checks
River: ($25.20) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, stickit1976 bets $45 all in,
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com
Journeyman54 (UTG+1): $25.00
Gerrard37 (UTG+2): $50.00
t3ddypok3r (MP1): $114.15
MarloBStanfield (MP2): $21.00
Spindlemonkey (CO): $31.90
stickit1976 (BTN): $57.05
Hero (SB): $40.90
seumpapeu (BB): $26.20
10GrapeDrink10 (UTG): $68.85
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A
A5 folds, Spindlemonkey raises to $0.85, stickit1976 calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.65, 2 folds, stickit1976 calls $2.80
Flop: ($8.40) T
6 7 (2 players)Hero bets $8.40, stickit1976 calls $8.40
Turn: ($25.20) Q
(2 players)Hero checks, stickit1976 checks
River: ($25.20) 2
(2 players)Hero checks, stickit1976 bets $45 all in,
Spoiler:
11-06-2008
, 05:34 PM
11-06-2008
, 05:42 PM
I also snap fold and am pretty confident that's right, but you know... OP might not be THAT crazy to call.
If Villain has a low diamond, he wouldn't likely shove this river; even bad players have some understanding of showdown value and not turning a mediocre made hand into a bluff. He would check a low diamond (or two low diamonds) behind.
If Villain has a high diamond, A or K, would he really overshove the river? He would much more likely make a smaller bet to make sure he makes some money with his nuts.
If Villain had made a flush on the turn... well, bad players like to slowplay, so it's possible. (But it still reverts to one of the two above scenarios on the river.) But usually you'd expect at least some kind of small bet on the turn to keep money moving into the pot if he has the nuts, or to protect his hand if he has a lower flush (Hero could easily be holding the A or K if I'm not, from Villain's perspective).
I don't know if this was really OP's thought process or if it was just 'eh, could be a bluff, I hate folding aces, I call', but the more you look it over, the more Villain's overshove doesn't really line up with the story he's trying to tell (I have a strong flush). And we beat pretty much any non-flush he might show up with, because once again, any non-flush hand stronger than one pair is happy to check behind the river and see a showdown.
If Villain has a low diamond, he wouldn't likely shove this river; even bad players have some understanding of showdown value and not turning a mediocre made hand into a bluff. He would check a low diamond (or two low diamonds) behind.
If Villain has a high diamond, A
or K, would he really overshove the river? He would much more likely make a smaller bet to make sure he makes some money with his nuts.If Villain had made a flush on the turn... well, bad players like to slowplay, so it's possible. (But it still reverts to one of the two above scenarios on the river.) But usually you'd expect at least some kind of small bet on the turn to keep money moving into the pot if he has the nuts, or to protect his hand if he has a lower flush (Hero could easily be holding the A
or K if I'm not, from Villain's perspective).I don't know if this was really OP's thought process or if it was just 'eh, could be a bluff, I hate folding aces, I call', but the more you look it over, the more Villain's overshove doesn't really line up with the story he's trying to tell (I have a strong flush). And we beat pretty much any non-flush he might show up with, because once again, any non-flush hand stronger than one pair is happy to check behind the river and see a showdown.
11-06-2008
, 07:09 PM
11-06-2008
, 07:54 PM
Quote:
I also snap fold and am pretty confident that's right, but you know... OP might not be THAT crazy to call.
If Villain has a low diamond, he wouldn't likely shove this river; even bad players have some understanding of showdown value and not turning a mediocre made hand into a bluff. He would check a low diamond (or two low diamonds) behind.
If Villain has a high diamond, A or K, would he really overshove the river? He would much more likely make a smaller bet to make sure he makes some money with his nuts.
If Villain had made a flush on the turn... well, bad players like to slowplay, so it's possible. (But it still reverts to one of the two above scenarios on the river.) But usually you'd expect at least some kind of small bet on the turn to keep money moving into the pot if he has the nuts, or to protect his hand if he has a lower flush (Hero could easily be holding the A or K if I'm not, from Villain's perspective).
I don't know if this was really OP's thought process or if it was just 'eh, could be a bluff, I hate folding aces, I call', but the more you look it over, the more Villain's overshove doesn't really line up with the story he's trying to tell (I have a strong flush). And we beat pretty much any non-flush he might show up with, because once again, any non-flush hand stronger than one pair is happy to check behind the river and see a showdown.
If Villain has a low diamond, he wouldn't likely shove this river; even bad players have some understanding of showdown value and not turning a mediocre made hand into a bluff. He would check a low diamond (or two low diamonds) behind.
If Villain has a high diamond, A
or K, would he really overshove the river? He would much more likely make a smaller bet to make sure he makes some money with his nuts.If Villain had made a flush on the turn... well, bad players like to slowplay, so it's possible. (But it still reverts to one of the two above scenarios on the river.) But usually you'd expect at least some kind of small bet on the turn to keep money moving into the pot if he has the nuts, or to protect his hand if he has a lower flush (Hero could easily be holding the A
or K if I'm not, from Villain's perspective).I don't know if this was really OP's thought process or if it was just 'eh, could be a bluff, I hate folding aces, I call', but the more you look it over, the more Villain's overshove doesn't really line up with the story he's trying to tell (I have a strong flush). And we beat pretty much any non-flush he might show up with, because once again, any non-flush hand stronger than one pair is happy to check behind the river and see a showdown.
So you are saying I made call of year?
11-06-2008
, 09:20 PM
