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08-07-2008 , 12:42 AM

eckstein88

adept

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 932

Kinda confused by this hand. I almost wanted to fold PF but I felt like that was uber-nitty.

On the flop, theres no way I could possibly fold right?

On the turn, I almost want to call because its like betting a scare card, but I felt like his range PF was TT+, AK.

Ugh I hate this hand, lol. What do you guys think?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $25.25
Hero (BTN): $29.50
SB: $25.10
BB: $4.80
UTG: $17.50
UTG+1: $67.75
MP1: $11.10
MP2: $24.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.85) 2

(3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $6, Hero calls $6, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($19.85) A

(2 players)
MP2 bets $16.15 all in, Hero folds

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08-07-2008 , 01:06 AM

drowski

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,526

i really think folding pre is the best option yeah its nitty but if you call you are basically set mining getting 10:1 on his stack (not enough odds to set mine)

edit: also as played you cant call the turn you are literally behind everything in his range (JJ+, AK) i dont think TT is in his range and even if it is you shouldn't be calling this

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08-07-2008 , 01:06 AM

AKSpartan

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,931

Crap spot, but it's a fold. Looks like he either had AK or decided to turn his hand into a bluff with the best hand.
Your preflop call isn't great - you're behind MP2's 3bet range and you aren't closing the action - UTG+1 could throw in a 4bet, which you can't call.

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08-07-2008 , 05:36 AM

benedictc

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 971

ugh..I hate this multiway pot. Any reads on MP2? MP2 looks like he has a KK or QQ here. Calling preflop is fine and I think folding the flop would be good. I think we have to give Mp2 credit for a big hand since he 3bet UTG+1 and on the flop he is betting into you and you haven't acted yet. Turn is definite fold.

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08-07-2008 , 10:07 AM

willperkins

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Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,331

Preflop: I would fold preflop against a raise and a 3 bet. If I was going to call, with position, I would be in a set mine only mode. I either hit a jack or I am done.

As played:
Flop: As I stated above, I am in set mine status. I fold.

As played:
Turn: That is prolly one of the worst cards that could have come for you. If he did have AK or AQ, he is beating you now.

Let it go.

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08-07-2008 , 12:42 PM

BottomPairDonkey

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Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 53

Depending on the players. . . You are probably still ahead against AK, but behind against all poket pairs. . . That is a great flop to cbet on since most will miss it. That is a pretty small raise if MP2 actually has a huge hand like KK/ AA more likely he has Ak / QQ.

you are only dead on the turn IMO. Folding the flop is optional since we put QQ in his range. . . he'd probly bet the same with Aq/Ak however. Think about why we could call this flop bet. . . unless we plan to show this hand down we are wasting money here. You could possibly have even shoved the flop.

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