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10-17-2008 , 09:52 PM
Villain is 65/0 over 25 hands. Nothing serious, but obv these stats are beginning to indicate a total fish.

Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $25.00
UTG: $28.45
UTG+1: $51.70
MP1: $20.95
MP2: $58.40
CO: $43.90
Hero (BTN): $26.60
SB: $15.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q K
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) Q A K (2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $2.50, SB calls $2.25

Turn: ($6.75) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $12.70 all in, Hero?

Basically what I'm asking is, is this a good spot to apply sevens' theorem of bad players (when bad players make big bets on the turn or river, it's usually the nuts or second nuts) and I have to put him squarely on JT/AK, or do you think there are actually hands in his range that I beat?
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-17-2008 , 09:59 PM
Villain has Ks3s. LOL

I honestly have no idea, but I lean towards kicking a kitten and folding.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-17-2008 , 10:53 PM
call
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-17-2008 , 11:04 PM
call
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10-17-2008 , 11:05 PM
First post, so please bear that in mind,

First off, 65 is a serious number, even over only 25 hands. I think while JT/AK is possible, his range is too large here to make it an automatic fold. The most important question I have for you is if he has raised PF on any other hands? This can give you an idea as to whether or not he has AK (or AQ which is another hand that has you beat).
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10-17-2008 , 11:50 PM
After donking off another two BIs tonight with two pair, I'm probably not the right person to listen to, but I can't imagine you're ever good here (Ok, I wasn't good).

I think Harrington is right that turn bets mean more than flop bets. He says he wants to play for stacks on a wet board and bottom 2 isn't a great hand in those circumstances.
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10-18-2008 , 02:50 AM
65% is a really large range. he could have A3,K3,Q3 (as well as AK and AQ). i prob wanna know how aggro he is post flop. if he's aggro post-flop, i would snap call. if not, maybe i'll think twice, but might still leaning towards a call.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 03:30 AM
not just JT AK

AQ QQ AA KK 33 (possibly).

I agree about kicking cats.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 03:55 AM
no way im folding here. if he does show up it JT or AK, it's pretty much a cooler IMO.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 06:19 AM
I find a fold here
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 06:50 AM
I fold this tbh.

I wouldn't be suprised if he has A3 but donkeys turn up with anything at times Jx and Tx is even possible but not likely.

I would just be happy he tipped his hand to you in such a fashion, and saved you money and wait for a better opportunity to get his stack.
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10-18-2008 , 09:48 AM
Cat-kick fold.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 10:23 AM
I'll be honest: Looking at this hand here, I guess a fold is the best option, but if I were midst of playing the hand, I would be calling.
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 05:27 PM
I wouldn't fold here. In my experience overshoves like this by bad players tend to be weak hands or draws far more often than they're big hands. I dont think we'll run into TJ/KK/AK/QQ/AK that often, because most villains would either reraise those on flop with the flushdraw out there, or take a different line on the turn to get their money in. A3 is a possibility ofc. So i think this is a call, because i think there's way more weak aces and flushdraws in villain's range than there are monsters.
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10-18-2008 , 05:34 PM
call... hold vs AT/AJ
25NL Um.....wtf with bottom two Quote
10-18-2008 , 07:04 PM
Sitting here now it's a pretty close decision, leaning towards call.

And like Autist, in the heat of battle there's no way I can find the fold button against a 65/0.
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