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01-23-2010 , 12:45 AM

s.boxer

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,438

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $26.50
Hero (UTG): $59.75
MP: $25.00
CO: $22.95
BTN: $26.35
SB: $14.70

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with T

Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.10) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

Turn: ($19.10) 2

(2 players)
BB bets $17 all in, Hero???

Villain is a 22/17/4 over 60 hands. Haven't seen him do anything spewy yet. Do I call this turn?

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01-23-2010 , 01:00 AM

jmister

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 425

he's 3-betting your UTG raise so his range is probably pretty tight here....would like to hear someone's opinion on calling pre.

the only hand that I really see him doing this with that you beat is maybe AsKs and he still has 15 outs...I'd expect him to have QQ+,AQ the majority of the time here especially if you haven't seen him get out of line yet

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01-23-2010 , 01:04 AM

Hoagie

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 6,573

No.

His 3bet range oop against an utg raiser is REALLY narrow. His range is owning you.

Edit: With no reads I am folding pre alot. If I do call I pretty much play as op did, float flop fold to turn aggression.

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01-23-2010 , 01:14 AM

OMG its LUCKBOX

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Originally Posted by jmister

he's 3-betting your UTG raise so his range is probably pretty tight here....would like to hear someone's opinion on calling pre.

Fold pre. People don't 3bet an utg raise oop w/ much that 10's are even flipping with.

This is 25nl - even if villan is competent, his 3betting range has you crushed. If he's bad, you are flipping at best and you are going to have to play slowly postflop anyways. If you have an overpair to the board you can still be way behind and if the board has a qk or ace you are just hoping he gives up.

Wait for a better spot.

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01-23-2010 , 01:14 AM

OMG its LUCKBOX

adept

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Originally Posted by Hoagie

No.
Edit: With no reads I am folding pre alot. If I do call I pretty much play as op did, float flop fold to turn aggression.

This is fine too if you choose not to fold pre.

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01-23-2010 , 01:18 AM

mojo6911

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Originally Posted by OMG its LUCKBOX

Fold pre. People don't 3bet an utg raise oop w/ much that 10's are even flipping with.

Meh, I think it is close since we have position.

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01-23-2010 , 01:26 AM

OMG its LUCKBOX

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Meh, I think it is close since we have position.

I agree. I think that calling is ok if you have a plan for later streets. If you decide on calling I think we just peel flop and see what he does on turn, if he barrels I think we can just give up.

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01-23-2010 , 01:54 AM

VithelTone

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,676

fold pre TT oop without initiative against an unknown...can never go your way unless u flop Txx

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01-23-2010 , 02:51 AM

caddymix024

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i doubt this guy's bluffing here. he shouldn't be ever bluffing vs your range. i think calling pf is ok being in position...one thing i do differently is i usually open my entire pf range 3x and then adjust that according to number of limpers/previous action. i suppose he could show up with AK and sometimes a flush draw but even those are not as likely, as it just looks like you are continuing almost no matter what on the turn so just seems more like he is value towning u here

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