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25NL - tough spot on river. Am I right to fold here? 25NL - tough spot on river. Am I right to fold here?

09-14-2010 , 11:26 AM
Villain 15/5/0 over 20 hands so nothing much in the read department.


Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $25.93
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $25.35
SB: $26.15
BB: $15.77
UTG: $35.75
UTG+1: $8.75
MP1: $25.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q T
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) Q 4 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.35) T (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.25, MP2 calls $4.25

River: ($14.85) 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets $10.08, Hero folds

My issue with this hand is he might be a ****ing idiot playing AA/KK in the worst most awful way ever. I can't see many sets in his range because of the flat on the turn. I do have one significant note here - on the turn when the heart hit he took a long time to think before he checked. This swayed me over to the "fold, this is so flush" line of the fence. What do we think? What do morons donkbetting rivers like this usually intend?
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09-14-2010 , 11:29 AM
Sorry, wrong forum. I'm multitabling and my attention was really bad. Can someone move this?
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09-14-2010 , 11:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShipItToAJ
Villain 15/5/0 over 20 hands so nothing much in the read department.


Full Tilt Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $25.93
CO: $25.00
Hero (BTN): $25.35
SB: $26.15
BB: $15.77
UTG: $35.75
UTG+1: $8.75
MP1: $25.60

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q T
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) Q 4 2 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP2 calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.35) T (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $4.25, MP2 calls $4.25

River: ($14.85) 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets $10.08, Hero folds

My issue with this hand is he might be a ****ing idiot playing AA/KK in the worst most awful way ever. I can't see many sets in his range because of the flat on the turn. I do have one significant note here - on the turn when the heart hit he took a long time to think before he checked. This swayed me over to the "fold, this is so flush" line of the fence. What do we think? What do morons donkbetting rivers like this usually intend?
you need to be good over 40% of the time to call. the only hand that you beat is Q8.. but i don't think that's likely to be in a 15/5 OL range (maybe it is). i don't think there are enough bluffs in a 15/5 25nl player's range on this river. fold.

edit: i guess you beat T8 too, but is T8 limp/calling pre and then floating that flop OOP? no.
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09-14-2010 , 11:34 AM
serious question, in NL, when the opponent is taking a BS line repping essentially air on the river, is it always a fold in NL? Seems like one can make a good living for quite a while by just shipping it with no SD value.

(I realize he could have anyone of a mirrion hands that crushes QT)
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09-14-2010 , 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xylocain
serious question, in NL, when the opponent is taking a BS line repping essentially air on the river, is it always a fold in NL? Seems like one can make a good living for quite a while by just shipping it with no SD value.

(I realize he could have anyone of a mirrion hands that crushes QT)
thing is, he can be bluffing a third of the time (which is A LOT) and you still make a mistake by calling.
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09-14-2010 , 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by normalcy
you need to be good over 40% of the time to call.
well this is most certainly not true.
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