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25NL TJ straight @ river 25NL TJ straight @ river

04-26-2008 , 08:12 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $64.80
UTG: $34.25
MP: $11.90
Hero (CO): $24.65
BTN: $47.60
SB: $24.65

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T J
UTG raises to $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.85) K Q Q (5 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, BB calls $0.75

Turn: ($7.60) 5 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.60) 9 (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets $3, Hero raises to $12, BTN calls $12, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $7.40 all in

is it ok to raise the river here?
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 09:43 AM
You should have added flush/paired board to your title. No ones folding trips at this point, though KQ/Q9/55/99/Flush are definitely in all villains ranges come the river (maybe not Q9 for the UTG/MP). I probably flat call the MP and hope the BTN doesn't raise behind me. I really wouldn't be surprised to see that the MP had slowplayed a hand.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 09:58 AM
standard
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 01:42 PM
1. you fold the flopbet
2. you raise and go broke on the river

Why else should you be in the hand?!?!
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 06:32 PM
5 way pot paired AND flushdraw...i dont know if straight is good here ^^ but thats just a feeling
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 06:34 PM
I wouldn't raise the river on a paired, 3flush board.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 07:09 PM
Just call.

The way i see it, no one looks paticulary strong here, so if they're calling your raise it's likely that they've slowplayed a boat or a flush or trip queens earlier, and there's more flushes/boats than just trip queens.

Also, calling with people behind allows for people to overcall with worse.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 09:38 PM
i wouldnt fold on flop. bet turn like 5$ and fold to push. river i would just call
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 09:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pirilordi
i wouldnt fold on flop. bet turn like 5$ and fold to push. river i would just call
If we bet the turn, what could we possibly hope to accomplish on a paired 3-flush board with 4 opponents? I highly doubt we're folding out all of them, and going to get c/r'ed here more than occasionally. I suppose you could argue that a turn bet makes the river easier, but it still seems like you're putting money in behind in a bad spot where I wouldn't feel great even if I spiked the straight.

For whatever my advice is worth in a game I'm still mildly awful at , I play it the same up until the river and call, hoping to induce a pair of kings, etc to overcall.

TRWIII

*EDIT: I also don't mind 3-betting this PF occasionally to isolate, but it's largely opponent dependant. In this case, a PF 3-bet would change the play of the rest of the hand radically.

Last edited by TRWIII; 04-26-2008 at 10:10 PM.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 09:58 PM
sorry i read the board so wrong.. i tought u had str8 on turn
lol.
now when i see how the board was i would propably raise on river to 9,99... on sale!
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 10:04 PM
I would raise PF to isolate the UTG raiser+ get a HU situation between the two of you... In your situation I would raise on the flop to thin out the FD so that your straight holds up when you hit+ if no one has the queen you can represent that and probably take it down vs one player(if you had raised PF) in a vacuum. If you get RR on flop trips is so common that you cannot expect to have a free card on the turn/ you could also be drawing dead with your 9 it is part of his range so its better to fold in that situation.

I do not see anyone with trips or AK the way the hand was played but the AI call on river tells another story.....god bless the donks - HU vs players like that they are giving you the odds to draw out on them cheap for a stackoff so its an exploitable way to play...if anyone had the trips I would not down that he slow plays his monsters so I could bet bet bet against him+ better evaluate his c/raise if he ever does them.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 10:06 PM
BTW on the river you only beat hands that do not call you considering there are trips+FD+SD on the table...hands that fold are draws, AK. hands that call are flushes, straights, AQ.....so many times you are going to see flushes vs that many players that sheesh, i would just call.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 10:13 PM
why wouldnt Q call here??
u think they can fold fold it? sometimes even K will call here
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-26-2008 , 10:46 PM
Given the sheer volume of callers I'd find it strange to not find someone show up with a flush here, not to mention the houses. Flat call the river.

Pre flop, squeezing here is read dependent but if you never 3 bet an utg raiser without the goods you're not going too far wrong as a rule so it's probably fine to call here. On the flop, again calling is fine, I'd maybe bet/raise a turn that didn't have the flush get there but it did. Now we're at the river just call imo, yes we lose value vs a queen, but there's too many hands out there likely to be in our opponents hands that we lose too.
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-27-2008 , 01:34 AM
since its been played pretty passively until the river i reckon calling is better. its likely theres a flush out there running scared of the paired flop <-- the reason they haven't been raising their hand. like some1 else said a flush is probably calling this down anyway so your better off just being passive as well. your hand is not that good
25NL TJ straight @ river Quote
04-27-2008 , 02:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wikemang
I wouldn't raise the river on a paired, 3flush board.
this
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