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25nl: straight flush draw but turn brings just a potentiol flush draw....we call bet? 25nl: straight flush draw but turn brings just a potentiol flush draw....we call bet?

09-07-2010 , 01:49 PM
Okay just a hand i'm not sure about, I could've shipped the flop, but didnt really fancy flipping and figured I could be getting value from other hands just calling
but the turn was intresting becuase i was getting just under 2:1 but another player was also yet to act, what do you think I should do on the turn?

player stats
button: unknown
mp2: 13vpip/6pfr/ decent player but does make some bad some real bad play on occasion

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (10 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 ($12.09)
UTG+2 ($20.32)
MP1 ($25.70)
MP2 ($24.75)
MP3 ($25.95)
CO ($35.60)
Button ($25.25)
SB ($29.75)
Hero (BB) ($25.13)
UTG ($25.12)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.10) 10, 9, 8 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1.10, Button raises $3.30, Hero calls $2.20, MP2 calls $2.20

Turn: ($11) Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets $7 hero?

Last edited by TheGonza; 09-07-2010 at 02:02 PM.
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09-07-2010 , 01:56 PM
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09-07-2010 , 02:03 PM
sorry man my handhistory converter messed up first time, all fixed now mind, my bad
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09-07-2010 , 02:09 PM
ship over the flop raise

Quote:
I could've shipped the flop, but didnt really fancy flipping and figured I could be getting value from other hands just calling
the reason to ship is you win all the times they fold, and you only have to flip when they don't fold

not to mention nothing tilts nits more when you crack sets and flopped straights this way.
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09-07-2010 , 02:14 PM
so on the flop re raise the small bet and then shove wether they re raise or call ship turn then?
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09-07-2010 , 02:47 PM
In a 4 way limped pot where you are OOP on everyone, I don't like leading for full pot here. I would lead for .75 (I actually like .7 a lot more, but that's nit picking). The reason is you have the idiot end of the straight draw, this is a flop that SMASHES a limping range outside of small pocket pairs (which are likely folding no matter what you do). I want to bet the smallest amount that has a reasonable chance of taking the pot down. I don't really want to build a big pot for when I hit because when I do hit it will be so obvious. Are you happy getting it all in on a turn 6? J? Betting smaller also has the added benefit that if you get raised you can call.

I am really not a fan of getting this all in pre-flop. At best your a slight favorite, but what range of hands do you see the average 25NL player getting all in on this flop in a 4 way limped pot?
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09-07-2010 , 03:22 PM
Check.
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09-07-2010 , 03:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
ship over the flop raise



the reason to ship is you win all the times they fold, and you only have to flip when they don't fold

not to mention nothing tilts nits more when you crack sets and flopped straights this way.
As played the turn is a super easy fold. Also you can't be totally pumped about the flop action as there are likely far more Axs draws including possible hands like ATs/AJs/AQs/AK?s in Mp2's range than QJs/56s. 34s/23s seem pretty unlikely and other Axs cannot be ruled out so easily. I'd think your draw is often dominated and BTN often has a strong hand here. Shipping in this case is super spewey.

Your 7 may not even give you a live straight draw otf and ott the queen taints and removes some of your outs. I'd say it's really a moot point though, the scarriest part of this hand is that if you call and MP2 calls you will be drawing dead nearly always - and this will happen often.
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09-07-2010 , 04:59 PM
yeah, re-reading that it's a limped pot i'm re-evaluating the ship flop idea
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09-07-2010 , 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Imagy
As played the turn is a super easy fold. Also you can't be totally pumped about the flop action as there are likely far more Axs draws including possible hands like ATs/AJs/AQs/AK?s in Mp2's range than QJs/56s. 34s/23s seem pretty unlikely and other Axs cannot be ruled out so easily. I'd think your draw is often dominated and BTN often has a strong hand here. Shipping in this case is super spewey.

Your 7 may not even give you a live straight draw otf and ott the queen taints and removes some of your outs. I'd say it's really a moot point though, the scarriest part of this hand is that if you call and MP2 calls you will be drawing dead nearly always - and this will happen often.
REALLY good advice here thanks alot, and to other posters all views appreciated
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09-08-2010 , 08:04 PM
how is that a straight flush draw on the flop?
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09-08-2010 , 09:52 PM
Jam flop > raise flop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> call flop.

c/f turn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> c/c turn.
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