Villain mainly unknown maybe starting to look mildly fishy. I put him on a wide range however.

I pot control turn - plan to xc if he bets normally, he could have some sets and ovp and there are not many scare cards.

river is a bitch A3, 33, 77, A7, loads of other 7s, plus what was already ahead.

Are there enough bluffs and other combos to justify a call v largely uknown.

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $29.10
SB: $39.71 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 18, 3B: 4, AF: 1.4, Hands: 138
BB: $25.18 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 11, 3B: 9, AF: 2.5, Hands: 27
UTG: $26.28 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 40, 3B: 50, AF: 0.0, Hands: 10
MP: $26.22 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 25, 3B: 15, AF: 2.0, Hands: 128
CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 22, 3B: 6, AF: 4.0, Hands: 46

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with 8 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, 1 fold, BB calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.34) 2 8 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.28, BB calls $1.28

Turn: ($3.90) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.90) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $3.72, Hero folds

I'd bet the turn for value.
As played you might have induced some river bluffs but not with this sizing imo.

Ez barrel ott, you're going to have so much bs BTN vs BB in this spot - this is a slam dunk value bet.

That's a perfectly fair point, but I'd like to follow it up. Being as he is wide/unknown I pot flop (maybe overbet here?) to charge draws. He calls, hence pot controlling turn...take the thin draws out not much he is calling my big turn bet with that I can beat.

Let's say I go with 2/3 turn bet (a small turn bet faces up my hand to a reg)

If he CR easy fold yes?
If he calls and leads river with a proper bet easy fold yes?
If he calls and x river, breathe out and x it back yes/no? Or small river bet?

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If it is that easy, tell me what worse hands a poss reg calls my pot sized cbet oop and big tbet thanks. Just to be clear, my pot cbet was made for a reason, not coz i prod buttons. Also if it is all that easy, you won't mind answering the 3 scenarios above, will you?

I just noticed flop c bet size. 1/2-2/3psb is more sensible otf/ott naturally. You are likely ahead but there are so many fugly rivers, so hand definitely needs protection. Also you are going to have a tonne of draws and random overs if you're stealing correctly (~50%) from the BTN, so if this isn't in your value range ott (which it should) then you're going to be heavily weighted to bluffs.

Also solid regs will fold baby PPs pre HU - but let's assume he does defend those he is often going to fast play them otf given your cra cra sizing.

/rant

Aye,

All good stuff...it is the lack of info here that causes the issue...20 hands later I 2/3 flop 1/2 turn this villain all day long, but that's kinda irrelevant.

However, thanx, I know I played this poorly and I know why...as played I should have called river.

Yes seems like a standard bet/ (make a decision) on the turn.

Standard bet and check behind river imo.

Bet turn, just get more chips in the pot while you are ahead vs his range. On the river the cards you lose to are fairly specific given he'll raise most times set/two pairs on the flop, but probably overall a fold at these stakes. TBH if it were me in his shoes and I got to the river this way I would be turning almost every flush draw into a bluff versus most players, not that I would get to the river on this board this way with a flush draw. If villain has a high river bet I'm probably calling.

Why are you going so large otf?

Turn I think we get a ton of folds if we bet and also protection from FDs. However our hand is vulnerable so I can understand the X for pot control.

River is lol and unfortunately a fold

Since you ask...

To get better. I'm on a training plan to head up. Bet sizing as much as anything sorts the men from the boys. I'm annoyed that I did not overbet here, equally, I could have used small bets to keep everything wide.

Playing and learning with bet sizing and the effect it has on ranges and frequencies is what turns us into better players and enables us to move up. Playing bot poker means when we move up and get crushed we have to deconstruct our game and start again.

I've been down that road and failed. Now I'm going down a different road.

...since you ask

cheers with your f/back guys, on to the next...

/thread

Change your betsizing for a start. If you think he's not calling flop with enough worse hands to be value betting turn then you shouldn't be potting it. I also don't think it makes much sense to steal wide on the button and then pot flops you usually miss. Give yourself a better price on your bluffs and get some extra value by betting twice smaller. Also means you'll get checked to more on the river and can take showdowns with hands like this with a higher frequency.

Hands he continues with on the turn will be stuff like worse 8x (98,78, and stuff like Q8s), 56, A5, spades. Would probably be wider if we'd bet flop smaller.

Feel free to disagree but you talk about betsizing a bit above and I think you've done the opposite of what makes sense given ranges.

^^ I agree, my line is mixed up.

Bet smaller twice, or bet bigger once, but expect to see river either way. Like I said, I played it poorly, but Confucius say...some you win; some you learn.

Bet flop is nice and good sizing, I'm betting again on the turn as we are way ahead of his check/call flop range and bet most rivers for value and to protect our range as we will have a lot of bluffs here, against this particular river against a relative unknown it's pretty close but I think since 56 is probably check/raising the flop and villain is shaping up to be relatively tight preflop so might fold 78o and there are only two combos of 78s left, he's not betting this big with 2 pair and probably not with a 3 either so I think this is a call.

Its okey that you are working on your bet sizings but betting pot on flop because of it isnt a reason at all.

Flop I like betting big bc I think that this is a flop where no players have really an advantage. Turn is a bet, and probably big again since it doesnt benefit anyone on particular, you are losing against A3s and 76s now but you can compensate it charging all pair+gutshot and other draws that are flatting now.

As played yeah, fold river seems fine.