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02-12-2009 , 08:14 AM

Number1Hater

Confused About Butt Stuff

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14,214

Villan is 43/14 over 60 hands.

I think I played this hand really poorly. What would be the correct play on the turn? river?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($25)
UTG ($89.25)
MP ($9.10)
CO ($25.60)
Button ($26.95)
Hero (SB) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero raises $1.15, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($3.75) 3

(3 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50, 1 fold

Turn: ($8.75) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25

River: ($17.25) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $17 (All-In), Hero???

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02-12-2009 , 08:34 AM

zoolicious

adept

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 766

I know what you mean, but against a drooler, with your hand so underrepped, I think you have to call this. Argh well I think you do... disgusting spot...

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02-12-2009 , 01:25 PM

Ligic

banned

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,777

Call river lol? or crai turn

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02-12-2009 , 01:37 PM

aw1986

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36

I don't see a call in this spot.

He called your RR preflop meaning he probably has A

and the flop call almost indicates a flush chase.

Unless you have a good read on BB, it's a fold.

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02-12-2009 , 02:07 PM

Number1Hater

Confused About Butt Stuff

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14,214

i am a nit. i folded river. i had no idea how to play this to be honest...

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02-12-2009 , 02:27 PM

Ksight3

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 15,464

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

i am a nit. i folded river. i had no idea how to play this to be honest...

???????

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02-12-2009 , 02:30 PM

Number1Hater

Confused About Butt Stuff

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 14,214

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Originally Posted by Ksight3

???????

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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02-12-2009 , 02:43 PM

Coff

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 8,929

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Originally Posted by Number1Hater

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree

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02-12-2009 , 02:54 PM

Turniphead

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,518

i call hes bad and prob has a worse flush

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02-12-2009 , 03:17 PM

#10

AskZandar

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,046

Don't fold...

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02-12-2009 , 03:37 PM

#11

el_grande

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,766

you hit the 2nd nuts on the turn and stopped betting a passive player. not good.

if this river is a tough spot for you, blockbet $6 and fold to a raise. A 43/14 isn't bluff raising that ever.

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02-12-2009 , 03:48 PM

#12

mOeeOm

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,809

Do you realize how weak you made your hand look.....you did not c-bet flop big as the PFR, you c/c turn, you checked river....

SNAP CALL.

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02-12-2009 , 04:00 PM

#13

UgliCasanova

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 238

How aggressive is he? 1.5 or less and it's a fold. More than that he's pretty aggro and I get it in the way you played.

But, really, I'd lead out that turn. You'll get a more definitive answer that way.

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02-12-2009 , 04:04 PM

#14

LordDante

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,158

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Originally Posted by mOeeOm

Do you realize how weak you made your hand look.....you did not c-bet flop big as the PFR, you c/c turn, you checked river....

SNAP CALL.

I agree with this 100%
You need to bet more preflop, vs 2 players i dont cbet flop i BET-IT(PSB).
Dont check turn, bet-it, if you get the baluga move at least you know where you are.
If you dont snap call river, you are losing value(b/c the line you took with your hand!).

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02-12-2009 , 04:12 PM

#15

br3nt00

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,664

im definitely calling this river here. i agree with the under-rep... we have the 2nd nuts and we switch modes to C/C... which i think may be good in this case to get a bluff out of the villain.

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02-12-2009 , 04:16 PM

#16

mOeeOm

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,809

Also, to OP, if you planned on folding river why did you call turn exactly?

Hoping for the As to fall or that he shuts down?

Think about it, if he he tries to bluff he's shoving or making a bet always on the river since you look scared and if he has the As he is betting again. You are going to face a bet on the river a ton....why call turn if you're folding river.

I don't see him bluffing just the turn here when you check river also.

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02-12-2009 , 04:17 PM

#17

crazyfool1985

¯\_(°_o)_/¯

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,213

This is a snap call for me. villian is passive so the call PF doesnt mean much to me. I dont mind the check call on the turn to disguise our hand and to get value out of non flushes on the river. But im betting this river alot unless i know villian will bluff here

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02-12-2009 , 04:19 PM

#18

lew189

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,450

$1.25PF. $3.25 Flop. Either bet turn 3/4 pot or, if you really want to check, it should be to CRAI.

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02-12-2009 , 06:56 PM

#19

tweedmeir

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 20

Question for everyone thats saying this is a snap call --- does your answer change if you're holding the J instead of the K? 10?

My gut says the 10 is an easy fold...but the J?

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02-12-2009 , 07:01 PM

#20

theodorant

newbie

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 46

I don't understand a CRAI here. Only the ace of spades is calling that. So we're turning our hand into a bluff. J of spades may call your bets, but villain wouldn't call a crai with a j. . .

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02-12-2009 , 07:34 PM

#21

dfkdfk

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 66

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Originally Posted by el_grande

you hit the 2nd nuts on the turn and stopped betting a passive player. not good.

if this river is a tough spot for you, blockbet $6 and fold to a raise. A 43/14 isn't bluff raising that ever.

I like this... gonna borrow this idea if thats ok.

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02-12-2009 , 07:35 PM

#22

KreellKeiser

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,711

If I'm villain I'm thinking Js or Ts is the nuts right now...

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02-12-2009 , 09:24 PM

#23

trip_kings12

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,694

I think you have to check raise the turn here. If he shoves over the top, you might be beat. I think your flush is good on the turn, but the 5 on the river is a gross boat card. Either way, I think you have to call on the river. The only way you could have dodged this decision is if you check raise on the turn because I don't think he bets out with the nut flush there on turn.

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