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25nl set horrible turn card again. 25nl set horrible turn card again.

04-12-2010 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by donbabba
a perfect example of slowplaying whioch made hin stack off.If I bet flop then I get nothing 95% of time.The only risk was that he hit either runner runner flush or runner runner 2pair or 3 of kind, not very risky IMO and I bet turn so flush risk I bet.I got all his money and he had queen high by slowplaying, see it works.Proven.I played this hand 5 mins ago I didnt have to dig deep for it like played 3 months ago lol.
Full Tilt Poker $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $25.77
BB: $19.47
UTG: $7.13
MP: $37.16
CO: $12.83
BTN: $25.96

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A 9
UTG raises to $0.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.25) A 2 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($1.25) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25

River: ($3.75) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $5.38 all in, Hero calls $5.38

Final Pot: $14.51
Hero shows A 9 (two pair, Aces and Twos)
UTG shows J Q (a pair of Twos)
Hero wins $13.79
(Rake: $0.72)
This hand is not at all similar to the hand in your OP,and fwiw this hand is played about as bad as possible on every street.
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04-12-2010 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fresh
This hand is not at all similar to the hand in your OP,and fwiw this hand is played about as bad as possible on every street.
I think actually it's played perfectly.
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04-12-2010 , 04:47 PM
Really spraggy? Why?
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04-12-2010 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Spraggy
I think actually it's played perfectly.
don't think so. villain is checking back lots of pp that we can get 1 street of value from if he's not fold-happy. you get a spazzer like this one about once every 100 hands. I like flop, like the turn, hate the river readless

but it's not nearly as bad as the OP hand
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04-12-2010 , 05:17 PM
bet flop, raise more flop.

as played i would call turn and c/f river
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04-12-2010 , 05:33 PM
Flop is awful

Donking is good, but at least raise bigger
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04-12-2010 , 05:35 PM
so a question to all those in favor of B/f turn. what is our river action when he calls turn and river bricks?
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04-12-2010 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7
what are we getting value from there? are we then c/c a river bet?

I can see why you may want to bet the turn there but it seems a bit like betting for information/blocking bet. aren't we getting a ton of value from AK type hands by c/c there? (when they do bluff and bluff they will)
Any FD any 2pair combo, and lol at AK floating this board.
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04-12-2010 , 05:47 PM
i think you played this fine honestly; you could make an argument for betting the turn but i think it's opponent dependent and since we're readless the right play is prolly to c/c or c/f depending
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04-12-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EATITPAL
Any FD any 2pair combo, and lol at AK floating this board.
why not? esp with a backdoor draw you can see that

EDIT: ok, that's a lol considering the flop c/r but I was thinking if hero donked as he should. As villain, if somehow I ended up with AK in that spot and hero donked I am flatting IP and raising his bet on that turn as a standard play.
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04-12-2010 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by desperad0oo7
why not? esp with a backdoor draw you can see that
AK floats here like never
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04-12-2010 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
AK floats here like never
see edit
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04-13-2010 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh
This hand is not at all similar to the hand in your OP,and fwiw this hand is played about as bad as possible on every street.
Oh dear did we get caught out saying its terrible then a really good player said its played perfectly?? woops im glad im not you right now becuase I am red in the face embarassed for you let alone being you lol.At least say why you thought it was so terrible which if I were you I wouldnt even bother and save yourself more embarrassement loooooler.
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04-13-2010 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by donbabba
Oh dear did we get caught out saying its terrible then a really good player said its played perfectly?? woops im glad im not you right now becuase I am red in the face embarassed for you let alone being you lol.At least say why you thought it was so terrible which if I were you I wouldnt even bother and save yourself more embarrassement loooooler.
LOL You obviously have no idea how off you are with these comments. Anyway since this board is for posting strategy advice i'm gonna go ahead and explain why i think the hand is played terribly, folks can flame away all they like. Firstly you're playing A9s against a short stacks utg open, you have no pair value in this situation as his range doesnt contain any worse aces or 9s, not only that we're oop and have no implied odds for flush value and aren't going to be able to bluff him if we miss. On the flop we're able to get value out of his PP and flush draws by betting, and yet you decide instead to c/c albeit that he doesn't bet, in this situation ifyou're going to pay offf all his valuebets with bigger aces then you need to be taking the value you can from hands which you beat which wont bet themselves. Leading the turn is bleh but i dont hate it, calling the river is awful, the villain has to be bluffing here a ton and there isn't an awful lot of air in his range given how the hands played out, he has far more stronger(than ours) made hands in his rang than he has busted draws or totalair here so readless you should be folding this.
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04-13-2010 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh
LOL You obviously have no idea how off you are with these comments. Anyway since this board is for posting strategy advice i'm gonna go ahead and explain why i think the hand is played terribly, folks can flame away all they like. Firstly you're playing A9s against a short stacks utg open, you have no pair value in this situation as his range doesnt contain any worse aces or 9s, not only that we're oop and have no implied odds for flush value and aren't going to be able to bluff him if we miss. On the flop we're able to get value out of his PP and flush draws by betting, and yet you decide instead to c/c albeit that he doesn't bet, in this situation ifyou're going to pay offf all his valuebets with bigger aces then you need to be taking the value you can from hands which you beat which wont bet themselves. Leading the turn is bleh but i dont hate it, calling the river is awful, the villain has to be bluffing here a ton and there isn't an awful lot of air in his range given how the hands played out, he has far more stronger(than ours) made hands in his rang than he has busted draws or totalair here so readless you should be folding this.
no
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04-13-2010 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Fresh
LOL You obviously have no idea how off you are with these comments. Anyway since this board is for posting strategy advice i'm gonna go ahead and explain why i think the hand is played terribly, folks can flame away all they like. Firstly you're playing A9s against a short stacks utg open, you have no pair value in this situation as his range doesnt contain any worse aces or 9s, not only that we're oop and have no implied odds for flush value and aren't going to be able to bluff him if we miss. On the flop we're able to get value out of his PP and flush draws by betting, and yet you decide instead to c/c albeit that he doesn't bet, in this situation ifyou're going to pay offf all his valuebets with bigger aces then you need to be taking the value you can from hands which you beat which wont bet themselves. Leading the turn is bleh but i dont hate it, calling the river is awful, the villain has to be bluffing here a ton and there isn't an awful lot of air in his range given how the hands played out, he has far more stronger(than ours) made hands in his rang than he has busted draws or totalair here so readless you should be folding this.
these fish raise utg the king 8 lol j7 A4 rofl.Man you have no clue these fish are betting flop if they have an ace so he doesnt have an ace he just calls turn so may have like king 10 10 of diamonds etc. on river he shoves,whats he shoving here he cant have a better ace and these players bet like $1 here if they have the nuts becuase they 'want value' and the small raise will get called loads, this shove isnt the nuts and I call that all day and literally I do and I earn a lot of money from these hands.Villain may ocasionaly show AAA or something but only about 5% max
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04-13-2010 , 08:02 AM
You are one of the most arrogant posters I have seen on here. Don't post hands if you can't take criticism - you should be thankful people are even giving you advice and you just throw it back in their face even when it is correct.

If you have already made up your mind that you made the right play, just keep the hand to yourself and don't waste everyone else's time.
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04-13-2010 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by D1iabol1cal
You are one of the most arrogant posters I have seen on here. Don't post hands if you can't take criticism - you should be thankful people are even giving you advice and you just throw it back in their face even when it is correct.

If you have already made up your mind that you made the right play, just keep the hand to yourself and don't waste everyone else's time.
and you are THE most arrogant.
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04-13-2010 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by donbabba
its called a slowplay.Look it up.
Don't ever slow play, especially a wet board like that. You are losing lots of value not to mention slow play is what got him into a tough decision.
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04-13-2010 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bahdawg
Don't ever slow play
lol donkaments
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04-13-2010 , 09:36 AM
Do you play this way when not playing Rush? I will give you that there's a lot of idiots playing Rush, but these strategies you describe will get killed in a non-Rush game with even semi-decent players.
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04-13-2010 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartlett
Do you play this way when not playing Rush? I will give you that there's a lot of idiots playing Rush, but these strategies you describe will get killed in a non-Rush game with even semi-decent players.
my rush strategy is completely different from non rush yes although if you are playing non rush then it means you almoist HAVE to occasionally slowplay even more than rush IMO.
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04-13-2010 , 10:01 AM
I absolutely love playing people like you. This happens to me all the time. I have a hand that I would call a couple of smallish value bets with. say bottom pair and a gut shot. Instead it gets checked all the way down, I take a small shot on the river with my unimproved bottom pair, villain shoves, and I fold of course. Then villain flashes the nuts. Gets almost nothing for them.

Incredible way to play a hand. When you have a big hand, you want chips in the middle. When you have a big draw, you want chips in the middle. Playing it any other way is just losing tons and tons of value.
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04-13-2010 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by donbabba
if you are playing non rush then it means you almoist HAVE to occasionally slowplay even more than rush IMO.
Absolutely. Slowplaying is the #1 strategy to beating the micros.
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04-13-2010 , 10:23 AM
loldonkaments.Im not saying I slowplay every hand, in fact I hardly ever slowplay but in the right circumstance it can be extremely profitable, I am not slowplaying robot and I agree with everything you say but to say 'never slowplay' is just a donkament slime ball comment IMO.
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