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08-03-2010 , 02:01 PM
I am almost too embarrassed to put this up because I feel like I played exceptionally poorly in a lot of hands for this video. But I swore to myself that I would be honest about my play this month in an attempt to improve. So here is it... in all it's ugliness.

I'm sorry there is no sound. I couldn't get the volume of my voice loud enough to be clearly heard. It was so low and mumbled that it was more distracting than anything else so I left it out.

I kept the video at 20 minutes long (even though I played longer) because I feel like that's a good amount of time. No one here is going to want to watch a 1+ hour session of me making the same type of mistakes over and over.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MI1K0X59 (30.5 meg)

I think the stats in my HUD are all labeled clearly enough to not need explanation. Comments about those are also welcome.
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08-03-2010 , 02:29 PM
downloading now, be glad to try and help
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08-03-2010 , 02:30 PM
I'll give it a watch mate and see if I can help you at all.
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08-03-2010 , 02:34 PM
Thank you both. I know it's a lot to ask sometimes. But I really appreciate it.
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08-03-2010 , 03:09 PM
Well you said yourself you misplayed some hands so your obviously aware of where you went wrong so I'll try not to be too patronizing but here are the ones that I would of played differently:

- You raised AK UTG, got three bet by a multi-tabling TAG in the SB and decided to four bet. Against a soild reg I will just flat call the three bet here almost always and play the hand in position. His range is basically TT+ and AK if not higher when 3-betting an UTG rasie from the SB.

- You raised Q9 from SB after short stack limps UTG. I would always just call the blind here. Definitely not +EV and got you in a bad spot!

- You 3-bet a short stack who'd open raised UTG with KQ, I will do this sometimes if I have a read that the player is opening a wide range but mostly I would just flat call here. Your 3-bet size was too small here also, but he had AA anyway so that wasn't relevant this time.

Everything else looked standard/fine to me I think. I know that you probably played the hands I mentioned badly because of lack of concentration or tilt, so not sure my advice would be anything new to you but it's always good to have a reminder.

Also, not that it really matters but I've always opened with a 4BB raise in cash games with any hand I'm playing, although 3BB seems to have become more popular these days.
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08-03-2010 , 03:37 PM
Yeah that KQo hand was pure spew. Probably the most embarrassing hand of the entire session. I honestly don't know what I was thinking after he 4-bet me. I think my 3-bet was really borderline to start but why I felt like getting the money in there would be good, I have no answer for that one. I went after and checked and he had never opened from UTG (very small sample but still) so there was no reason for me to think 3-betting his PSB open was going to go well for me.

The AKs hand, I wasn't thinking that I would end up in position on the flop. I could have saved myself a bunch of money on that hand. If he was on the BTN when he 3-bet, would you be more inclined to 4-bet? And if we 4-bet and he shoves... it's a fold right? He's probably not shoving without QQ+ and AK himself.

Q9s... yeah I got myself in a bad spot there. I wanted to fold the turn but when he bet so small, I felt I had the pot-odds to call for the flush draw. Of course, with the paired board, I could have been drawing dead anyway. I definitely lost the most possible with the hand. LOL

The 3xbb thing... I am still wavering between 3x, pot, and 4x in my games. I really think I should move up to 4x for right now (or at least pot). And I think that mainly because I am playing tighter pre-flop than I usually do. I'm currently running 18/14 and for 10nl I was running 22/18 -- not a huge change but since I was opening a little lighter, I dropped it to 3xbb so each stab was a little cheaper. Since I am playing a little tighter... a larger pre-flop raise size works for value and also makes it a little less EV for people who want to try and outflop me because my hand range is a little easier to read. That's my thinking on it... anyway.

I think I might be adjusting too much and a bit too paranoid about being played back on at 25nl compared to 10nl. To be honest, I have nothing to really base that on because the play seems very similar.
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08-03-2010 , 04:10 PM
stop being embarrased, you are not supposed to be durr here. will watch soon
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08-03-2010 , 10:52 PM
Hello man, saw your video and I´d like to comment on a few things:
1- Don´t be embarrassed, we all suck here at the micros. Exposing ourselves is the best way to grow.
2- First leak I noticed was table selection. On table 1 (on the left) you started with two short stacks, one of them a loose-passive on your immediate left. Latter on the video there were three nits to your right and a TAG plus a loose-passive to your left. You want the loose-passives to your right and the nits to your left. And I don´t like more than one SS on my table, and NEVER to my left. These things make a huuuuuge difference in your win rate.
2- You played way too nitty on LP. That´s probably one of your biggest leaks. You have to really ABUSE the BT. I mean, you folded hands like J6s, T8o, J8o and Q9s (I still don´t believe that one...) on the BT unopened, and K7s on the CO unopened 4-handed. Those are all very playable hands with position vs weak players on the blinds.
3- Some hands:
. You 3bet AQs from the BB vs a BT open. The raiser was a passive nit and your hand have a lot of postflop value, but does very poorly vs his 4bet range. If you had any reads that he calls a lot 3bets instead of 4betting (like the loose-passive player to your left), it´s ok to 3bet AQ and it´s for value (he´ll call with hands like AJ, KQ, QJ). But if he is the kind of player who either 4bets or fold, you shouldn´t 3bet such a good hand if you´ll have to fold to a 4bet. Vs this kind of player you have to 3bet a polarized range, the vaue part are the hands you´re willing to ship (not AQ) and the bluff part are the top of your "folding range" (the best hands you´d fold).
. AKs you 4bet/called shove. I´m not going into the merit of whether 4betting or not a nit with AK, but I think your BS was too big. Do it to like $6.5. I know there´s no need to balance at the micros but when you 4bet-bluff a 3bettor-happy villain you have to keep it small. The type of player you´ll eventually go into this 3bet-4bet war will notice if you 4bet aces to $8.25 and J7s to $6.5.
. At last but not at least, a very representative hand that shows three common and very costly mistakes imho, the QJo you raise from the BT and get called by both blinds.
First mistake: Cbet. That´s a terrible flop to cbet against two nits. Their calling range are mostly small/medium PPs and they´re not folding them in a 782ss board. They´ll have a lot of pair + gutters or open-endeds and overpairs.
Second mistake: The turn was even worse to DB. By double barrelling when the board pairs on the turn you polarize a lot your range to a very very narrow value range and a wide bluff-range. I know, he folded, but you won´t get that a lot on those spots.
Thrid mistake: BS. If this was a good spot to DB, you should make it smaller, like a little more than half pot (something like 60%), because their calling range will be inelastic, they´ll either call it or not, regardless of the BS (of course, if it´s reasonalbe).
Well, those are the main "leaks" I could find (I would like to add that I agree with the previous comments about the KQ and Q9 hands), but I´m not a coach or a great player (very far from both, lol) and you should take those advices in perspective. I have a "blog" at "Poker Goals and Challenges" (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...d-year-812467/), feel free to check it out and comment on whatever you want.
GL at the tables
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08-04-2010 , 12:13 AM
will watch and grunch ... not reading above
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08-04-2010 , 01:51 AM
I only made it to 12 min, sorry. I will look at other reviews now:

First, no one is born a poker player. Don't be so hard on yourself.
Actually, I hope someone good reviews my review so I can learn too =P

here we go ...

J6s otb - raising. fish isn't calling ATC from blinds apparently and bb probably isn't a loose player. i think it has plenty of playability to open it up here.

AQs - this early and with this guy seeming kind of nitty (stats, name) I still prefer a raise. I don't think 10 hands says a whole lot. food for thought: what types of villains stats are going to converge quickly, which stats specifically, which stats aren't, what does this tell you about samples? (pm me if you want answers or links or something ... or about anything else as I am not guaranteed to check back in here) obv you have to fold to the 4b. I'm willing to bet a lot of people are going to say to flat this here (I don't hate it), but we have a lol sample. Additionally, unless he is a meganit we are still ahead of his range and nits are very uncomfortable playing the button / with wide ranges in general and play pretty passively and straight forward. I think just 3beting and cbetting most flops is optimal.

At this point I'm going to start looking for another seat on the left hand table. I'm not leaving, but I hope I can scoop up one of the nits seats. (perhaps review table selection or think about why)

K7s CO, raise again ... both blinds are nits! if the hand goes multiway, not terrible. but what are the two most likely outcomes? 1) you take it down, 2) you "isolate the fish"

I tend to use this term loosely in places like this and this is about as loosely as I can use it, but i think you are still effectively isoing even though the fish hasn't even entered the pot yet and there are two (nitty) players left to act. Even if one of the blinds calls pre they are most likely going to fold the flop anyway and you are going to end up with fishes money much more than them.

... terrific. you want to play as many pots with the fish as you can, within reason

I recently read a good analogy (would give credit if I could remember where, anyone?). Imagine there is a timer above the fishes head. Someone is going to get his money, its only a matter of when. Every opportunity you let pass means that someone else is more likely to get it.

ok, poker nordicas method of displaying the pot size is tilting me

lol, really tempted to raise QJ here and try play with the maniac, but probably too thin- i pass. if i had more solid reads i might not be able to fold.

QJ again @ 7:00 ... you might want to give some thought to varying your raise size for different opponents. you are burning money here imo 3x'ing and trust me .5-1 blind here and there adds up quick over thousands of hands

mixed feelings about this cbet. you have to be 2barreling and possibly 3 barreling (but not vs these villains) on these types of flops and really there aren't that many good turn cards, you don't have solid reads yet on their ranges, one or more of them probably has an overpair
if, based on their preflop ranges (lots of medium pairs) your plan is to barrel good turn cards and then give up then I can get behind it. I don't mind just giving up/ taking free card(s) though

OK gross. barreling 872-8.... i could go on about this (and probably will) but will try not to as you need to look at these topics pronto.
1) this is like the nut worst card in the deck to barrel. you really need to review what cards to barrel: you want to barrel cards that help your perceived range and hurt your opponents, this is not one of them. I don't hate this if you have a solid read that you can 3 barrel him off 99 but I'm SURE you don't
2) your sizing is terrible. please review.

As a general rule of thumb, board pairing cards bad, overcards good. Please please please go read about this in more detail.

Holy **** he folded. You are lucky sir.

I would consider cold 4-betting the 53o as a bluff. Okay, no I wouldn't, are you still awake?

Raising K9s partly because no one at this table is 3-betting and you look really nitty.

Wow. Right after I just typed that. You get 3-bet by a 14/14 and decide to make a humungo 4b w/ AKs IP. You are making your future bluffs more expensive or giving away too much information about your hand by doing this, aside from the fact that you seem to want to flip with a range that has you crushed, and pay rake on top of it. PLEASE. JUST. CALL.

I want to take a second to explain something to you I never read anywhere and I don't know why, but I think its important. Shoving AK at 25nl against non-spazzes is sometimes bad, not only because of their range, but because THE RAKE EATS UP LOTS OF THE DEAD MONEY. Don't overapply this though. If you have enough FE it doesn't matter, or if they are spazzy enough, it doesn't matter but occassionally it can turn a marginally profitable shove into a marginally unprofitable one. This doesn't really apply to this hand as much because we are behind already, but its something to think about.

Bleh. I only made it to ~12 minutes but this is enough for now. PM me again when you post another one if you want to. I look forward to my colleauges productively berating up my advice.

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08-04-2010 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gsiciliano
Hello man, saw your video and I´d like to comment on a few things:
1- Don´t be embarrassed, we all suck here at the micros. Exposing ourselves is the best way to grow.
2- First leak I noticed was table selection. On table 1 (on the left) you started with two short stacks, one of them a loose-passive on your immediate left. Latter on the video there were three nits to your right and a TAG plus a loose-passive to your left. You want the loose-passives to your right and the nits to your left. And I don´t like more than one SS on my table, and NEVER to my left. These things make a huuuuuge difference in your win rate.
I'll be honest here... I didn't table select at all. All the tables on Nordica were full when I sat down and I just got on the waiting lists and joined the first two that opened. Not +EV... I know. That is something I really need to consider in the future.

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2- You played way too nitty on LP. That´s probably one of your biggest leaks. You have to really ABUSE the BT. I mean, you folded hands like J6s, T8o, J8o and Q9s (I still don´t believe that one...) on the BT unopened, and K7s on the CO unopened 4-handed. Those are all very playable hands with position vs weak players on the blinds.
Well, you're definitely right about this one. This is actually the start of my 3rd real session since moving up from 10nl. As I said earlier, I've noticed that I am playing tighter than I was before and almost all of that seems to be coming from being more reluctant to raise those sort of hands in position. My button play has been 24/17 in these games (CO is worse at 18/17). This is a big change from the 29/26 and 23/20 I was playing in those two spots before. I am sure even that could be a little too tight depending on the blinds.

I think I am letting the amount of money in play effect me a little too much and am afraid of getting into big pots with those sort of hands. Of course, I know (mostly) how to play those hands without building big pots but... I guess I am chickening out.

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3- Some hands:
. You 3bet AQs from the BB vs a BT open. The raiser was a passive nit and your hand have a lot of postflop value, but does very poorly vs his 4bet range. If you had any reads that he calls a lot 3bets instead of 4betting (like the loose-passive player to your left), it´s ok to 3bet AQ and it´s for value (he´ll call with hands like AJ, KQ, QJ). But if he is the kind of player who either 4bets or fold, you shouldn´t 3bet such a good hand if you´ll have to fold to a 4bet. Vs this kind of player you have to 3bet a polarized range, the vaue part are the hands you´re willing to ship (not AQ) and the bluff part are the top of your "folding range" (the best hands you´d fold).
Good advice here too. I'm not a huge fan of playing hands like this out of position against someone who is so nitty pre-flop and I guess I just try and end it pre-flop a lot of the time. It's a mistake where I lose value against the worst of their range and end up putting in more money and folding to the top of their range pre-flop.

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. AKs you 4bet/called shove. I´m not going into the merit of whether 4betting or not a nit with AK, but I think your BS was too big. Do it to like $6.5. I know there´s no need to balance at the micros but when you 4bet-bluff a 3bettor-happy villain you have to keep it small. The type of player you´ll eventually go into this 3bet-4bet war will notice if you 4bet aces to $8.25 and J7s to $6.5.
They will or they won't notice? I am thinking you meant to say they wouldn't be the type to notice. My 4-bet sizing needs a lot of work... it's something I am working on.

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. At last but not at least, a very representative hand that shows three common and very costly mistakes imho, the QJo you raise from the BT and get called by both blinds.
First mistake: Cbet. That´s a terrible flop to cbet against two nits. Their calling range are mostly small/medium PPs and they´re not folding them in a 782ss board. They´ll have a lot of pair + gutters or open-endeds and overpairs.
Second mistake: The turn was even worse to DB. By double barrelling when the board pairs on the turn you polarize a lot your range to a very very narrow value range and a wide bluff-range. I know, he folded, but you won´t get that a lot on those spots.
Thrid mistake: BS. If this was a good spot to DB, you should make it smaller, like a little more than half pot (something like 60%), because their calling range will be inelastic, they´ll either call it or not, regardless of the BS (of course, if it´s reasonalbe).
I don't know how they could have a pair + gutter on that flop. Possibly top pair + flush draw... which is the one case I wasn't considering on the turn. When I bet the flop I expected to get called by straight and/or flush draws... and maybe some weaker hands like a pair. The over-pairs and sets occurred to me as well. But I was thinking, which was in the audio I cut, at the time that it was most likely a draw. When the top pair paired on the turn, I figured that none of the drawing hands could have completed and that a bet would take it there. I forgot about stuff like 98s or A8s and other top pair + flush draw hands that would certainly call the flop.

It's not "good" justification but that was my thinking at the time. I should have bet smaller. It's both more believable and probably equally effective unless he's got a combo draw like T9s where there isn't an [reasonable] amount I could bet there to get him off it.

Considering how tight these blinds were pre-flop, I am sure you're right that automatically assuming they're going to have a draw is probably a mistake.

LOL, taking criticism is hard... I don't want to sit here and blindly defend my play... that wouldn't benefit me. So I am not saying my logic there was right... or good. But I was at least making an attempt to think about the hand and not firing blindly.
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08-04-2010 , 02:16 AM
i have not watched the video but from the replies I have learned a lot thank you!
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08-04-2010 , 02:28 AM
"The AKs hand, I wasn't thinking that I would end up in position on the flop. I could have saved myself a bunch of money on that hand. If he was on the BTN when he 3-bet, would you be more inclined to 4-bet? And if we 4-bet and he shoves... it's a fold right? He's probably not shoving without QQ+ and AK himself."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Seriously, just FOLD. It's okay. You can fold ace high. You'll be ok. I promise. You can't 4b for value oop either, you are still way behind. For now, just take balugawhale's advice and never call 3b oop.

"The 3xbb thing... I am still wavering between 3x, pot, and 4x in my games. I really think I should move up to 4x for right now (or at least pot). And I think that mainly because I am playing tighter pre-flop than I usually do. I'm currently running 18/14 and for 10nl I was running 22/18 -- not a huge change but since I was opening a little lighter, I dropped it to 3xbb so each stab was a little cheaper. Since I am playing a little tighter... a larger pre-flop raise size works for value and also makes it a little less EV for people who want to try and outflop me because my hand range is a little easier to read. That's my thinking on it... anyway."

Yeah, and you still should be opening way more often from late position with less than premiums, so stick to 3bb. I think it does make a difference. I think if you open 3.5bb from utg and adjust your btn size to your opponents you can't go too far wrong.

"1- Don´t be embarrassed, we all suck here at the micros. Exposing ourselves is the best way to grow."

Good attitude.

" You 3bet AQs from the BB vs a BT open. The raiser was a passive nit and your hand have a lot of postflop value, but does very poorly vs his 4bet range. If you had any reads that he calls a lot 3bets instead of 4betting (like the loose-passive player to your left), it´s ok to 3bet AQ and it´s for value (he´ll call with hands like AJ, KQ, QJ). But if he is the kind of player who either 4bets or fold, you shouldn´t 3bet such a good hand if you´ll have to fold to a 4bet. Vs this kind of player you have to 3bet a polarized range, the vaue part are the hands you´re willing to ship (not AQ) and the bluff part are the top of your "folding range" (the best hands you´d fold)."

I knew I'd see this. I don't mind calling too much I just think it is jumping the gun a bit to put him in the 4b or fold bucket. Its good to thing about what you want to do vs a merged range, against a polarized range, against someone who 4b a lot, against someone whos range is heavily weighted in one direction, etc ... but I think even nits otb, for the most part, open a merged range we are ahead of, so I'd rather just raise it up now. if you really think he's folding that much to 3b then just call here and start 3b him like crazy with bajunka. don't even 3b strong hands until he catches on, he folds too much, you lose value.

"First mistake: Cbet. That´s a terrible flop to cbet against two nits. Their calling range are mostly small/medium PPs and they´re not folding them in a 782ss board. They´ll have a lot of pair + gutters or open-endeds and overpairs."

Pair + gutters? oh noes. how many cards do they have? cbetting isn't too bad if they are mostly set-mining nits. Agree turn was bad though.
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08-04-2010 , 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ph2133868789
I only made it to 12 min, sorry. I will look at other reviews now:

First, no one is born a poker player. Don't be so hard on yourself.
Actually, I hope someone good reviews my review so I can learn too =P
Thank you for the 12 minutes and the time it took to write this. I have condensed a lot of what you said... I hope you don't mind. I won't be quoting it all directly.

My LP opening range has totally fizzled since I moved up. I am glad everyone is pointing this out. I have said before that this seems to be a big semi-conscious change I made when I moved up.

The AQs hand seems to have support for both calling and raising. I am not convinced yet either way but since I got 4-bet I like calling. LOL... results oriented I know.

Table selection... didn't do any... should have.

I have read that analogy about the timer too. I think it was on here. But I forget where exactly.

PokerNordica does a lot of things that are nutty... I hate that a raise isn't "raise to $2" it's "raise $2 more to what I have already put in" ... which can mean sitting there and actually mentally adding things up to get the bet size you want.

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QJ again @ 7:00 ... you might want to give some thought to varying your raise size for different opponents. you are buring money here 3x'ing and trust me .5-1 blind here and there adds up quick over thousands of hands
Going to 4x you mean? And raising bigger against the looser blinds and smaller against the tighter ones?

The QJo hand where both blinds call... yeah, I messed that one up. I guess I jumped to a wrong conclusion without justification and really just stuck to it.

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you have to be 2barreling and possibly 3 barreling(but not vs these villains) on these types of flops and really there aren't that many good cards
Do you have a link to a thread about this and what do you mean about "these villains"... what would be a better villain profile to DB?

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if, based on their preflop ranges (lots of medium pairs) your plan is to barrel good turn cards and then give up then I can get behind it. I don't mind just giving up/ taking free card(s) though
My plan was to fire any turn that didn't complete a possible straight or flush and then check/fold to further action. So yeah, I was "part-way" there. But my range for the villain(s) was wrong... I was thinking it was a draw.

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1) this is like the nut worst card in the deck to barrel. you really need to review what cards to barrel: you want to barrel cards that help your perceived range and hurt your opponents, this is not one of them. I don't hate this if you have a solid read that you can 3 barrel him off 99 but I'm SURE you don't
2) your sizing is terrible. please review.
This is a serious weak part of my overall game. I rarely double barreled at 10nl (didn't need to to show a profit). So any article, thread, or whatever... I would be more than happy to read and try to get a better handle on these spots.


AKs hand... yeah... I should have just called. The size thing was partly because of the stupid way that PN does raises. I was going to make it $7.5 (which is still too large, I admit) but forgot that it was going to add what I already had in there.

Will aim to play AK post flop for the most part from now on unless it is against a super-spazz.

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Bleh. I only made it to ~12 minutes but this is enough for now. PM me again when you post another one if you want to. I look forward to my colleauges productively berating up my advice.
I will. I was thinking of playing another week or week and a half and then doing another to see what (if any) progress I've made and new leaks I've managed to form in that time. Thanks for the review and advice.

Edit: I also got a microphone and headset... so hopefully I can get the sound working next time and will be able to talk through what I am thinking as I do it... since many of my errors are probably more evident when I voice them.

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08-04-2010 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ph2133868789
"The AKs hand, I wasn't thinking that I would end up in position on the flop. I could have saved myself a bunch of money on that hand. If he was on the BTN when he 3-bet, would you be more inclined to 4-bet? And if we 4-bet and he shoves... it's a fold right? He's probably not shoving without QQ+ and AK himself."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Seriously, just FOLD. It's okay. You can fold ace high. You'll be ok. I promise. You can't 4b for value oop either, you are still way behind. For now, just take balugawhale's advice and never call 3b oop.
Advice taken... even though it seems really nitty to fold AKs to a 3-bet. But position is such a major factor that I guess it can't be a huge mistake even if it is a mistake (not saying it is... just saying that even if it is, it can't be that big).
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08-04-2010 , 02:44 AM
"They will or they won't notice? I am thinking you meant to say they wouldn't be the type to notice. My 4-bet sizing needs a lot of work... it's something I am working on."

Even if they do notice, they are more likely to spazz out if you make it like 2.3x or something.

"I don't know how they could have a pair + gutter on that flop."

Hmm. I noticed that too.

"Considering how tight these blinds were pre-flop, I am sure you're right that automatically assuming they're going to have a draw is probably a mistake.

LOL, taking criticism is hard... I don't want to sit here and blindly defend my play... that wouldn't benefit me. So I am not saying my logic there was right... or good. But I was at least making an attempt to think about the hand and not firing blindly. "

Yeah, I snap put them on a pair heavy range and its going to be pretty hard to fold them both out, so I just give up. I could at least understand the plan I describe, but wouldn't agree.

Its good that you are thinking about it and trying to defend it even if you are wrong though. You don't learn anything from "uh huh, uh huh, ok ty" either. The best advice I can give you for now is to *pay attention* while playing and see what people show up with, especially when you are like "wat?" I don't just mean at showdown either. Adjust each players range which each new piece of info. Play the hand back to yourself afterwards. Hand reading is not the strongest part of my game, but I do my best. If you get a chance, check out the first video in the "dogisheadsup" series @ DC (even if you aren't a heads up player). Every serious aspiring poker player should watch this video.
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08-04-2010 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ph2133868789
AQs - this early and with this guy seeming kind of nitty (stats, name) I still prefer a raise. I don't think 10 hands says a whole lot. food for thought: what types of villains stats are going to converge quickly, which stats specifically, which stats aren't, what does this tell you about samples? (pm me if you want answers or links or something ... or about anything else as I am not guaranteed to check back in here)
Ok... let me answer these and see how I do. Looser player's stats are going to converge a lot faster than tighter players. The looser and more aggressive a player is, the smaller a sample of hands before we know their type. The tighter a player, the longer it takes to get good stats because even a short "dry spell" will make them seem much tighter than they actually are... and a few big hands in a short period will make them seem looser than they actually are.

From what I understand, the more often a stat comes up, the faster it converges. So VPIP and PFR are the first to get close. Then, from the ones on my HUD, I think Attempt to Steal usually shows itself pretty quickly too (unless the blinds for that player are exceptionally loose/aggressive and they tighten up against them). Fold to steal takes a while but after about 50-60 hands I am fairly confident that it's close.

Any 3-bet and fold to 3-bet stats take a while unless the table has a couple aggressive players and someone is exceptionally 3-bet crazy... and even then it isn't hugely accurate except for those conditions. I guess I pay attention to that if someone has like 150 hands and a 3-bet of <2 or 15+ ... and for the middle ranges... I want more hands than that.

Fold to C-bet depends on how loose/passive the player is. The looser and more passive pre-flop, the faster that will converge. But it is still one of the last to converge since it takes a ton of hands to get a real idea. And anything past the flop takes the longest.

How did I do?


As for that "Tight" player... I ended up with 96 hands on him today. He turned out to be a TAG pre-flop 16/15. But his post flop play, at least in the one case where I noticed, was exceptionally bad. He raised KJo and I called. He then proceeded to stack of on a J-x-x dry flop when I had a set. Well, he bet flop, bet turn, and then stacked off on a river blank... board was still J-high. So there is some value in taking flops against him. If I had played that hand first... I would be more likely to call the AQs hand mainly because I can expect to get a bunch of value from second best hands like KQ or AJ.
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08-04-2010 , 04:02 AM
"Going to 4x you mean? And raising bigger against the looser blinds and smaller against the tighter ones?"

partial credit. 3b frequency and postflop tendencies also plays a role. 4x is excessive if you are 3xing CO/MP. against people who 3b lots you want to steal smaller as well.

I can't think of a particular thread off of the top of my head (edit: just check the COTW below), but their are some flop textures (dry, paired) where certain villains are just going to peel with crap like every time but frequently fold the turn. They have overcards, pocket 3s they don't believe you, etc. I don't think an 11/11 is often peeling you with total crap though so it doesn't apply here and I generally dont try to make anyone fold any marginal hand because they don't. Even nits don't, unless the board is very scary. I'm betting the flop knowing they aren't folding, but that I will often have a profitable spot to fire again.

"This is a serious weak part of my overall game. I rarely double barreled at 10nl (didn't need to to show a profit). So any article, thread, or whatever... I would be more than happy to read and try to get a better handle on these spots."

I'm def not saying don't double barrel, but I think you know that.

Here's a starter.
http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...barrel-224590/
I don't think the discussion about people being more inclined to call with AJ on KJx really applies to the micros because people call way too much with way worse than in his games. The reason he mentions this is that when the second card is close to the top card there are fewer profitable barrel cards. Think about these two situations: You have QQ on KJx. How many bad turn cards are there for you? You have 99 on A82. How many bad turn cards are there for you? If you have air in position, what are you doing when a king hits the turn?

This isn't the whole story though. Your equity, how coordinated the board is, and your opponents tendencies are also very important.

The COTW for 2x barreling goes into a little more detail:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...reling-651776/

I think this should make it all much clearer and it couldn't hurt for me to reread it myself.

Hopefully now you will see the reasons I was torn on the 872 or w/e board. TBH, against those opponents and ranges, I'm probably firing myself, but the turn SUCKED, but even then I'm not really sure because it was between one of those "one and done" type flops and more coordinated ones, he didn't 3b pre, and he might fold some stuff on the turn (small pairs, weird combo draws if they are in his range). This is kind of a weird spot really in that there isn't a lot of stuff he can call with after not 3betting, but I'm really puzzled as to what he flats here pre and then flats again with in the first place. I have no idea? Given his preflop range maybe 33-66 but this seems weird, or something like AJ w/ one spade?, or slowplaying?? I think it would be a clear check back on 8328 where he is more likely to call with like any pocket pair, but honestly after I've thought it through more I think my initial 'yuck, paired turn' maybe wrong and that it's worth posting a thread about it because I'm completely lost now.

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08-04-2010 , 07:56 AM
About the "pair + gutter" thing...
C´mon guys don´t be nits (lol), I didn´t mean that specific board, but low connected cards in gereral. My point is that this is a classic bad board texture to cbet, specially vs two opponents who are both nits. They´ll have small/medium PPs a lot of the times and will certainly peel at least one street
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08-04-2010 , 08:29 AM
Although most of them have already been mentioned these are my thoughts:

1) On the 782ss check back and the 8x is a horrible card to DB.

2) flat AK IP to 3bet

3) Open Q9s on BTN

4) Bet smaller on 747ss in 3 bet pot with QQ (you bet pot), I think you will get peeled/floated light. (Would like to know others thoughts on this and whether you believe that the villan is calling with the same range regardless of bet size?)

5) Don't 3bet the KQ

6) Table selection. I would leave both tables, you have all TAGish players on table 1 except a SS who is 2 to your left, and on table 2 you have nits to your right and a LP to your direct left.

I may create a similar video and post it on the forums, I certainly need to improve and it seems a quick/ good way to find leaks in your game, what did you use to create it?
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08-04-2010 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by skunkAPE
I may create a similar video and post it on the forums, I certainly need to improve and it seems a quick/ good way to find leaks in your game, what did you use to create it?
I used CamStudio to get the raw footage. But that left a file 500meg in size. I then used MediaCoder to convert it to the end result which was much more manageable. You can find both of these by googling. And there are several threads in the forums that give suggestions on how to configure them and settings that provide better results.

I'll be honest. I think this one 20 minute video helped me a lot more than if I had posted threads on the "big" hands. That's because people got to see hands that I never would have thought to mention and they got to see how the gameflow was going. I've still got a bunch of work to do related to this (going to read those threads mentioned above) and then need to work to include it in my game but I really liked the discussion the video created. Maybe it was really soon to post a video of my 3rd session after moving up but the sooner I fix these leaks the less time I will spend break-even or losing.

Edit: I got the idea after watching and commenting on someone's video who was having trouble at 5nl. And I really started to think that seeing the play in action helped me see things that I would have missed in a hand history. If you post a video, I will be sure to watch and check it out. I'll even give my thoughts... of course, I'm still learning the game and have a lot of room for improvement but no one is saying you have to give my thoughts a ton of credit.

Last edited by frob23; 08-04-2010 at 10:59 AM.
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08-05-2010 , 05:58 AM
If you use a different codec (x264 is good) the files are much smaller without having to convert or anything. For me, x264 only works with "even" sized fields of view? (like 1200x852 works, 1200x851 doesn't). Obv I don't care enough about this to figure out why.
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