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25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? 25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in?

10-08-2010 , 03:44 AM
Convert HH isnt working for some reason..

***** Hand History for Game 24524822821 ***** (Full Tilt)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 08, 03:00:40 ET 2010
Table Warp Speed (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: brooklynwolf ( $24.26 USD )
Seat 2: GAMBE42 ( $53.85 USD )
Seat 3: flammpoker ( $55.31 USD )
Seat 4: Byronson ( $36.90 USD )
Seat 5: gambit003 ( $26.80 USD )
Seat 6: Hero ( $48.95 USD )
brooklynwolf posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
GAMBE42 posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Kc ]
flammpoker folds
Byronson folds
gambit003 folds
Hero raises [$0.75 USD]
brooklynwolf folds
GAMBE42 calls [$0.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 4s, Qc ]
GAMBE42 bets [$5.52 USD]
Hero raises [$12.00 USD]
GAMBE42 raises [$47.58 USD]
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 10:27 AM
Any thoughts?
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10-08-2010 , 10:28 AM
holy jesus im all in

edit: i think this is either a fold to first raise or reraise like you did and get it in. depending how you like variance i suppose. i dont think he's doing this with tooooo many 4's definitely a bunch of Qx hands i see fish doing this with. a fish might play AA like this. but if you dont mind i can't see a reraise getting it in here being too bad. lol
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 11:29 AM
I quite like calling down to be honest
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 11:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The flying-donkey
I quite like calling down to be honest
why? villain is never bluffing like this
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10-08-2010 , 11:49 AM
I fold flop pretty quick after his donkbet. This is such a huge overbet and he clearly wants to get stacks in. We only invested 3bb in this pot, no need to put 200bb in with overpair on a paired board
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10-08-2010 , 11:52 AM
I don't think it's at all standard to get 200bb in with 1 pair without some kind of sick read.
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10-08-2010 , 01:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpectedV
why? villain is never bluffing like this
I don't think you know that, but if he is he probably be won't after you raise him.

It's one of those situations where you are WA/WB with the benefit he MIGHT be bluffing. the board is as dry as they come and all his 2pair hands have 2 outs against you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartlett
I don't think it's at all standard to get 200bb in with 1 pair without some kind of sick read.
It's two pair, and this board is relatively safe. I would hate to get a 1 pair hand in on a T87 or a JT9 board but this isn't one of them.

I think a question you guys should be asking yourself is what would you do if you c bet 3/4 pot and the guy c/r you. I for sure would be calling down in that situation.
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10-08-2010 , 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The flying-donkey
It's two pair, and this board is relatively safe.
Good point. Unconverted hand histories are so hard to read.
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10-08-2010 , 02:06 PM
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SB: $24.26
BB: $53.85
UTG: $55.31
MP: $36.90
CO: $26.80
Hero (BTN): $48.95

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60) 4 4 Q (2 players)
BB bets $5.52, Hero raises to $12, BB raises to $53.10
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 02:15 PM
reads/stats...
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 02:30 PM
If you have played for a while with him (30 hands even) and he hasn't done anything craqy, then it's a fold. If he is a total unknown, I would call him down, because some people are simply crazy and it's hard to have a better hand than you and most fish tend to be pretty conservative when the flop the nizzles (4x QQ).
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10-08-2010 , 02:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The flying-donkey
It's two pair
On that board is completly irrelevant vs his range, it would be more of a concern on something like QJ4 and a 4 turn.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lumileijona
If you have played for a while with him (30 hands even) and he hasn't done anything craqy, then it's a fold. If he is a total unknown, I would call him down, because some people are simply crazy and it's hard to have a better hand than you and most fish tend to be pretty conservative when the flop the nizzles (4x QQ).
Risk to reward ratio of a call down is horrible in this spot given his overbet. You need him to bluff or valubet worse way too often for this to be EV+ and heo is readless.
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10-08-2010 , 03:01 PM
dont really understand the point of your flop raise unless you think hes only taking this line with Qx and will get stacks in every time you raise... obviously i just call his bet with the intention of never folding
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10-08-2010 , 06:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by subs
dont really understand the point of your flop raise unless you think hes only taking this line with Qx and will get stacks in every time you raise... obviously i just call his bet with the intention of never folding
Because I figured villain is almost never bluffing and if villain did have a queen I would rather get it in than have a overcard come up and loae action.
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10-08-2010 , 06:10 PM
Only 4 overcards you're not happy to see. So not a good reason to reraise on flop.

Do you really expect said villain to get stacks in with AQ? Do ppl do that iin Rush?
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10-08-2010 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by hendal
Only 4 overcards you're not happy to see. So not a good reason to reraise on flop.

Do you really expect said villain to get stacks in with AQ? Do ppl do that iin Rush?
Well if we have the intension of stacking off why not otf. I mean do u really think by calling he might still be bluffing because that is ridiculous.
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10-08-2010 , 07:17 PM
4x overbet is ridiculous. Some people are maniacs.
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-08-2010 , 07:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpectedV
Well if we have the intension of stacking off why not otf. I mean do u really think by calling he might still be bluffing because that is ridiculous.
IME these strange plays can often be low PP's 22-77 which are spazzing hard, let them spazz man.
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10-09-2010 , 02:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The flying-donkey
IME these strange plays can often be low PP's 22-77 which are spazzing hard, let them spazz man.
Meh I dunno if I would say that but I guess its possible. So calling otf is best? Call down or do we ever raise?
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10-09-2010 , 02:50 AM
need some info
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10-09-2010 , 03:19 AM
Wow, based on how he played I don't think he has AA or QQ, however I do think he has a 2 or a Q, and I doubt he has AQ. Some donk overbets on a paired board is most likely a middle pocket pair. I think I'm getting it in w/out any reads.
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-09-2010 , 03:29 AM
raising the flop is the nut worst option of your 3 options. calling is marginally better than folding.
25NL Rush- 200BB stack villain donk bets x4 pot against my overpair standard to get it in? Quote
10-09-2010 , 09:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stackajawea
raising the flop is the nut worst option of your 3 options. calling is marginally better than folding.
U really rather see a fold than a raise?
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10-09-2010 , 10:34 AM
Based on my experience at nl25 rush, when someone is representing strenght simply it means strenght, obviously sometimes they are bluffing but it's rare, and my game is exactly nl25 rush...

IMHO most of the times versus a big overbet like this you're crushed, if i'm not in tilt i would fold immediatly putting a note on the player

Marco
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