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11-13-2011 , 12:13 PM
Villain is 55/11/50 over 20 hands, folded to cbet 2/4, folded to turn bet 0/3, folded to river bet 1/1. No noteworthy history with villain.


PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $32.51
MP: $10.00
CO: $10.00
BTN: $11.52
Hero (SB): $25.10
BB: $52.38

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25, CO posts DB $0.25

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero has K A

UTG calls $0.25, fold, CO checks, BTN calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, UTG calls $1.50, fold, BTN calls $1.50

Flop: ($5.75, 3 players) A 6 T
Hero bets $4.25, UTG calls $4.25, fold

Turn: ($14.25, 2 players) A
Hero bets $9.75, UTG calls $9.75

River: ($33.75, 2 players) K
Hero ?

I'm pretty happy with the hand as played, possibly could have bet more on the turn but that's not the issue here.

I suppose my question here is how is the best way to extract value on the river. Villains range on the river is missed draws>worse Aces>worse boats>2 pair>air. Any sets are raising the flop due to the 2 hearts out there.

How often are we getting called on the river by worse? Would it be best to check to villain hoping for a bluff-shove with missed draws?
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11-13-2011 , 12:26 PM
Even if he's a fish clicking buttons, I find it difficult to believe he'd call a shove with something like pair of tens or jacks, etc. Obviously he's folding to a shove with draws and calling with trips/boat, maybe KQhh but I doubt it.

now if you check, and the 50 in 55/11/50 means aggression, he can possibly bluff with a missed draw [lots of missed draws out there]. If he was calling down with QJ he'll bet and obviously he'll bet with trips/boat.

All this makes me think it's more +ev to check/get it in.
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11-13-2011 , 12:32 PM
he wont bet
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11-13-2011 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rich99cook
Even if he's a fish clicking buttons, I find it difficult to believe he'd call a shove with something like pair of tens or jacks, etc. Obviously he's folding to a shove with draws and calling with trips/boat, maybe KQhh but I doubt it.

now if you check, and the 50 in 55/11/50 means aggression, he can possibly bluff with a missed draw [lots of missed draws out there]. If he was calling down with QJ he'll bet and obviously he'll bet with trips/boat.

All this makes me think it's more +ev to check/get it in.
Pretty sure he doesn't have KQhh.
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11-13-2011 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Cash Beast Ezra
Pretty sure he doesn't have KQhh.
Even I had to read my op twice to work out why, ah Sundays...

My thoughts were that it would be more +ev to check/get it in, what are your thoughts on why he won't bet TomHagen?
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11-13-2011 , 12:48 PM
go all in obv
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11-13-2011 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerful Demon
go all in obv
Why? How often often do we expect to get called here? The only hand that I can imagine villain holding and calling with is A10. This would make sense with the line he took.

You may be right but I'd like to know why you think that.
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11-13-2011 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TomHagen
he wont bet
what are you basing this on?

I actually like your reasoning OP.
OOP against a guy who either has an ace (in which case he prob shoves himself, or at least bets), has a missed draw (in which case he could bet, but never call) or has medium hand (prob wont call and doesnt bet).

I think I usually shove here but that might not be the best play since there are alot of arguments for a check in this situation
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11-13-2011 , 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerful Demon
go all in obv
Love your comments

As for the hand, I vote for simple value bet, some 2/3 pot size. I have no reasoning why, just saying what i would do.

Last edited by tobe4funas; 11-13-2011 at 03:17 PM.
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11-13-2011 , 03:26 PM
Am I missing something? You have 9.35 left in a 33.75 pot. Just shove, he's calling with anything that has a piece of the board. Hoping an opponent is going to try a bluff when you have so little left behind sounds like wishful thinking.
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11-13-2011 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiteWolf
Am I missing something? You have 9.35 left in a 33.75 pot. Just shove, he's calling with anything that has a piece of the board. Hoping an opponent is going to try a bluff when you have so little left behind sounds like wishful thinking.
At least someone can read hh lol obv this
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11-13-2011 , 04:12 PM
Obv shove as mentioned above, if he called a 10 dollar turn bet he won't fold to a 10 dollar riverbet. If he bricked out on some kind of flushdraw he wouldn't call a 5 dollar bet either.
In short, whatever he will call a 5 dollar bet with, he will call a 10 dollar bet with. Easy jam.
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11-13-2011 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Cheerful Demon
go all in obv
full stop.com
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11-14-2011 , 09:54 AM
shove river.perfect line!
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11-14-2011 , 10:31 AM
What's with all the discussion.. You have less than 1/3rd pot left with the nuts..

shove
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