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03-08-2020 , 12:09 AM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 225 BB
SB: 237.92 BB
BB: 106.2 BB
UTG: 19.4 BB
MP: 156.84 BB
Hero (CO): 148.72 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 Q

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 2.2 BB, fold, SB raises to 9 BB, BB calls 8 BB, fold, Hero calls 6.8 BB

Flop: (28 BB, 3 players) J 9 8
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (28 BB, 3 players) A
SB checks, BB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 23.36 BB, SB calls 23.36 BB, fold

River: (79.72 BB, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero bets 114.2 BB

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Looking for thoughts on any street.
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03-08-2020 , 08:23 AM
What the reason behind raising OTT? I really like it but interested why you did it.

OTR this might be amazing or kinda awful haha. The K might improve villains range slightly but we can be very nutted here so its kinda gross. Can villain fold 2pair here? Probably not although it isn't out of the question. Will AQ fold when both FD miss? Close. My worry in this spot is once he calls OTT he might never fold the river but I love the line. Probably break even OTR at worse and if villain is overfolding which he probably is then its probably very good.
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03-08-2020 , 09:15 AM
really dont like this play multiway, should be a pure call ott imo
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03-08-2020 , 01:08 PM
Hello
I prefer to call turn and check back river
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03-08-2020 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by StewieStag
What the reason behind raising OTT? I really like it but interested why you did it.

OTR this might be amazing or kinda awful haha. The K might improve villains range slightly but we can be very nutted here so its kinda gross. Can villain fold 2pair here? Probably not although it isn't out of the question. Will AQ fold when both FD miss? Close. My worry in this spot is once he calls OTT he might never fold the river but I love the line. Probably break even OTR at worse and if villain is overfolding which he probably is then its probably very good.
SB checked twice, and BB's bet is weak. The fact that he's betting at all makes me think my 9 may not be good, and there's a lot of rivers where I have to fold to aggression. When I pick up outs on the turn, I decide it's a good time to go for it and get BB off a middling SDV hand.

River doesn't really bring any more straights in, but the board looks scary, SB hasn't shown aggression, and the front door flush misses, so I feel I have to go for it and put him to the test. AsXs is what I think I'm trying to get him off here, something that beats me but is not going to want to call a 1.4x river shove.

What gives me pause is that I'm really just representing QTs that checked flop for slowplay, AJs, and that's it. I almost certainly 4 bet AK, and I won't have T7s.

Last edited by Hobbes91; 03-08-2020 at 02:49 PM.
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03-08-2020 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan
really dont like this play multiway, should be a pure call ott imo
Is there a hand you're raising here as a bluff, and if so, what is it?
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03-08-2020 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbes91
Is there a hand you're raising here as a bluff, and if so, what is it?
AP,
no
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03-08-2020 , 07:54 PM
Preflop skews ranges which makes it difficult to analyze this hand. I would just limp behind, prefer raising QTs+ instead, and raising to 5bb+. AP I'm also folding to the 4bet with a hand that is difficult to get value from worse.

AP, I don't imagine our turn raise folds much out and if we're repping QT a good opponent will realise we would've/should've bet flop. We don't want two of the few remaining clubs in our hand when we jam river. We do block the nuts but on this board villain has tons of high equity bluff-catchers to call.
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03-08-2020 , 08:09 PM
JTs and T9s make better bluff jams because then we block the straight and sets.
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03-08-2020 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
JTs and T9s make better bluff jams because then we block the straight and sets.
Doesn't Q9s do both? We block 99 and we block QT.

Are we afraid that SB is 3 betting or BB is calling T7s?
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03-08-2020 , 10:24 PM
pre:

fold twice - if you are ISOing UTG limper, you need a better hand than Q9s
and if you are ISOing - that raise size is so

after the SB 3bet and BB cold call - ditch Q9s - dont call weak hands just because you are IP

turn:
just call - MW - there is no need to play draws aggressively plus you are getting a cheap price to see the river

river:
meh - if it worked - good for you - welcome to the DDP club
in these spots - i dont think blockers matter - esp after SB 3bet an ISO pre, check called turn raise MW with BB left to act - he is not going to go away quietly i guess

Last edited by udbrky; 04-29-2020 at 06:32 PM.
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03-08-2020 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Hobbes91
Doesn't Q9s do both? We block 99 and we block QT.
True, but the trouble with having a Q is that we really want villain to have one. They could easily take this line with QQ, AQ, KQ maybe even QJ - all hands we would be targetting with this jam.
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03-09-2020 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dubakkur2
pre:

fold twice - if you are ISOing UTG limper, you need a better hand than Q9s
and if you are ISOing - that raise size is so

after the SB 3bet and BB cold call - ditch Q9s - dont call weak hands just because you are IP

turn:
just call - MW - there is no need to play draws aggressively plus you are getting a cheap price to see the river

river:
meh - if it worked - good for you - welcome to the DDP club
in these spots - i dont think blockers matter - esp after SB 3bet an ISO pre, check called turn raise MW with BB left to act - he is not going to go away quietly i guess
Raise is a misclick, I didn't see UTG limp.

Agree that this is probably a fold preflop.

On the turn, I agree that this should probably be a call MW.

On the river, isn't a busted flush/straight draw his most likely holding? I don't think straights / sets/ 2-pair want to take a check / check-call / check line often. TT / JT / AsXs is what I'm expecting to see here.

Last edited by udbrky; 04-29-2020 at 06:32 PM.
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