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07-17-2008 , 03:40 AM

bigdonk

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 999

once again: the very first hand at the table. why doesnt villain bet the turn? should i have concluded that the doesnt have me beat?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $24.50
SB: $6.85
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $10.35
MP: $28.55
CO: $16.60

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q

3 folds, BTN raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, BTN calls $2

Flop: ($6.10) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.10) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($13.10) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7.75, Hero folds

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07-17-2008 , 03:43 AM

mephisto

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,372

You're losing too many ways here, any king, any 9, and many more. Standard fold.

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07-17-2008 , 03:46 AM

bigdonk

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 999

would someone call preflop with a 9 (except 99)?
because of the preflop call i weighted PPs and AK more. and the check on the turn looks like 88-QQ. or not?

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07-17-2008 , 03:50 AM

mephisto

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,372

Stats on villain? He could have called with A9 with Ace of spades here. His line would make perfect sense in this spot. AK is another possibility. I really don't see how 88, TT, JJ, QQ bets river so strong there.

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07-17-2008 , 05:04 AM

kail0r

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,759

you absolutely have to cbet this! chances are you are still ahead and if not you have a flush draw! maybe shut down a little/re evaluate the turn if villain calls. saves you from making a much harder decision later on in the hand when he bets out the river like this which i reckon is also a fold

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07-17-2008 , 07:48 AM

Knoooby

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,418

3bet pf then c/c c/c c/f that is too weak imo.

c/c on flop and turn is only good to get value from weaker hands. if you fold to such a small bet on the river on a dry board you are way better of cbetting and folding on the flop.

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07-17-2008 , 08:41 AM

muni50

centurion

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 130

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Originally Posted by mephisto

You're losing too many ways here, any king, any 9, and many more. Standard fold.

I dont think this is a standard fold. If he had shoved maybe, but i see it as unlikely that he is calling with a 9 pf. When you say "and many more..." you mean what exactyl? floppped flushes? quad 4s?

If he had a K, why not keep betting turn (and deny flush draw odds?). If he had AK, why bet so little on flop?

I dont think it's standard, I think it's quite close actually. I think I call here because his line doesnt make much sense, and we have already shown a lot of weakness so could be facing a bluff.

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07-17-2008 , 08:50 AM

Ffork

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 418

raise a little more PF with QQ oop.

as played, it is ok for me expect... PAY that river !!
What a mistake not to pay that. You're hiding the strengh of your hand, you induce either a bluff or a value bet on the river, so you have to pay. Point.
I suppose you don't think he's got a K, or else you would have folded on the flop, wouldn't you ?

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07-17-2008 , 10:14 AM

kimos123

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,866

cb-this,
as played i pay the river, As may bluff alot in this spot

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