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25NL QQ on flop facing overbet shove 25NL QQ on flop facing overbet shove

01-16-2010 , 04:26 PM
Villain was 70/26/0 3b/1.8 af through 23 hands. Earlier he had KK in mp1 w/ a 1/2 stack and open limped. Two more limped behind him. I was bb with 710. On a 256, I bet .50 and he called. Turn was Kd. I bet pot, he called, river bricked, I bet pot he called ai, and I looked for him at other tables, he was unfortunately only playing this one.

C/O is 15/7/0 3b/1.3 af through 46 hands

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $25.00
BB: $25.95
UTG: $25.00
Hero (UTG+1): $33.60
UTG+2: $25.00
MP1: $25.00
MP2: $33.20
CO: $26.90
BTN: $22.15

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.35) 4 7 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $3, CO calls $3, BTN raises to $21.15 all in, Hero???
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01-16-2010 , 05:37 PM
Lol, I totally misread the OP! After CO flats this is a snap insta fold all day and night long. Anyway, I wrote up a bunch of stuff assuming CO folded, so I'll leave that for you to read cause I think that HU against villain here is interesting.


"His aggression suggests a good hand because he is usually passive. Then again, he was previously passive post-flop with a strong hand. However,the KK hand may have shocked him into switched gears. Even if he is shoving with a 'good' hand, we don't really know what he considers good. He might think 88 is the nuts here.

This is kind of wide, but a possible range is 77+, 44, 33 & 65. 66, 55, 76 & 54. Sometimes he also has air if he switched gears, but his stats are extreme enough to ignore that since the chance is small.

Against 77+, 44, 33 & 56 we're 60%.
Against 33+, 76, 65 & 54 we're 50.5%

However, he may be tighter than this. Maybe something like TT+, 77, 44, 33 & 56, in which case we're 27.8% lol.

Because of his stats I'd say we're up against:
TT+, 77, 44, 33 & 56 ~70% of the time
77+, 44, 33 & 56 ~30% of the time

.7 (28) + .3 (60) = 37.6

Pretty arbitrary, but hey, it's an okay estimate for a murky situation."
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01-16-2010 , 05:50 PM
The dumber someone is the more likely I am to call here.

We're only in bad shape vs straights and sets, we aren't in terrible shape if he has two random pair.

And we're ahead of pairs + draws
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01-16-2010 , 05:55 PM
I would actually increase his range a lot and would be calling this all-in. From experience villain with his stats and tilted will be doing this with tptk, i wouldn't be surprised to see A7 here 88+ or even AK
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01-16-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
The dumber someone is the more likely I am to call here.

We're only in bad shape vs straights and sets, we aren't in terrible shape if he has two random pair.

And we're ahead of pairs + draws
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Originally Posted by Bergson80
I would actually increase his range a lot and would be calling this all-in. From experience villain with his stats and tilted will be doing this with tptk, i wouldn't be surprised to see A7 here 88+ or even AK
Pretty sure COs flat = a fold, it's too likely either of them has a set, and a 15/7 flat pf and flat flop is disconcerting.
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01-16-2010 , 07:17 PM
I'm snap calling this
CO floats, so he automatically has a set or straight? If the whale would have folded, would you still think this?
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01-16-2010 , 07:27 PM
I figured hands that fit the c/o so far are sets, PP 88-JJ, combo draws, and flush draws. I don't think c/o is floating pure air to steal on the turn.

The whale's play confused the hell out of me, but remembered how crazy passive he was playing his overpair turned top set. I though his hand is a lot weaker when he shoves here than when he calls. When someone's line makes no sense to me, I am a lot more likely to look them up.
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01-16-2010 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by luka allen
I'm snap calling this
CO floats, so he automatically has a set or straight? If the whale would have folded, would you still think this?
I'm not sure I understand your question. CO flats pf, so his range is probably AK, AQ, TT-22, maybe QQ/JJ (just an approximation but works). What would he float with here with the whale behind? Not overs, so he's probably calling with an overpair or a set. Once the whale raises, showing unbefore seen aggression, our single pair hand seems pretty bad. We're going to stack off into an opponent showing aggression for the first time with a semi-tight player still to act who has shown interest in the hand?

I'm not saying QQ is never good here, but I just don't see how a call is profitable over the long run. If they showed down two worse hands I'd be pretty surprised.
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01-16-2010 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
When someone's line makes no sense to me, I am a lot more likely to look them up.
This is a very good point and makes villain's hand look a lot weaker. He was probably pissed after the KK hand though, so I'd be surprised if he's completely in line with his previous plays. Definitely a convoluted situation.
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01-16-2010 , 07:49 PM
I called, and the c/o folded. He showed KQo. It reminded me of what online poker was like 5 years ago.
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